Hush is Unfair Now

[Borko]

So idr if it's always been like this with Repentance or a recent update changed it but imo the Hush fight is ridiculous now and very unfair. He does multiple attacks at once a lot and when you get him to low health he starts spamming multiple things at the same time.

Most problematic for me is 5 times in a row now when I got him to low health he spams the tear attack that starts out as 3 big tears and break apart into smaller multiple times, and the 2 lasers from above (which I swear are faster now) at the same time over and over again. As soon as he's done with the 2 lasers he IMMEDIATELY starts it again with no down time and he'll do this like 4 times in a row while spamming other things.

This is ridiculous and many times these combo attacks are completely undodgeable. I used to love going for Hush because I found the fight strategic and fair but now he's just like Delirium. What sucks even more is to get a guaranteed Void spawn you have to beat Hush. You used to be able to beat Hush even with the crappiest run but now it feels like you need to be broken and have a ton of health.

Boss fights shouldn't be hard because they're ridiculous and you take guaranteed damage. Hush was fine imo. Now I don't like fighting him anymore. It's not because he's harder, it's because he's unfair.

[JellyPuff]

There's apparently a bug, that makes Hush have less cooldown between attacks below 40% HP. Before, Hush could still do shenanigans, like combo his splitting red-tears into his tear-lasers or continuum-tear attack, which was always a little bs. I guess, these situations are just a little more common now.

But the speed of the tear-laser depends on your speed and should never be faster, than you can move. However, the "I'm Drowsy..."-pill breaks these for some reason and make them impossible to avoid. Basically, don't use that pill during the fight.

[randomguy]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

There's apparently a bug, that makes Hush have less cooldown between attacks below 40% HP. Before, Hush could still do shenanigans, like combo his splitting red-tears into his tear-lasers or continuum-tear attack, which was always a little bs. I guess, these situations are just a little more common now.

But the speed of the tear-laser depends on your speed and should never be faster, than you can move. However, the "I'm Drowsy..."-pill breaks these for some reason and make them impossible to avoid. Basically, don't use that pill during the fight.

it being 40% hp is a "bug", the intended functionality is to do that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at 1% hp, but the fight's still much better than delirium lol

[Luna]

maybe its just because i never fought him before repentace but hush seems pretty fair to me

[Borko]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

There's apparently a bug, that makes Hush have less cooldown between attacks below 40% HP. Before, Hush could still do shenanigans, like combo his splitting red-tears into his tear-lasers or continuum-tear attack, which was always a little bs. I guess, these situations are just a little more common now.

But the speed of the tear-laser depends on your speed and should never be faster, than you can move. However, the "I'm Drowsy..."-pill breaks these for some reason and make them impossible to avoid. Basically, don't use that pill during the fight.

Ahh. Wonder why it isn't fixed by now then.

Also I had the stopwatch and the laser seemed faster, maybe that's why.

[randomguy]

Originally posted by Borko:

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

There's apparently a bug, that makes Hush have less cooldown between attacks below 40% HP. Before, Hush could still do shenanigans, like combo his splitting red-tears into his tear-lasers or continuum-tear attack, which was always a little bs. I guess, these situations are just a little more common now.

But the speed of the tear-laser depends on your speed and should never be faster, than you can move. However, the "I'm Drowsy..."-pill breaks these for some reason and make them impossible to avoid. Basically, don't use that pill during the fight.

Ahh. Wonder why it isn't fixed by now then.

Also I had the stopwatch and the laser seemed faster, maybe that's why.

the 40% hp thing instead of 1% is probably a feature just labelled as a glitch because people don’t like it, there’s no reason why the % of hp for hush to go crazy would just randomly break.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by randomguy:

Also I had the stopwatch and the laser seemed faster, maybe that's why.

The "I'm Drowsy"-pill is unique now in Repentance, in that it slows down everything, including Isaac, but it does not change the speed-stat. And since the tear-lasers speed scales with Isaac's speed-stat, they become unavoidable, because you are moving slower without any actual decrease in your speed-stat.

Stop Watch doesn't have this problem.

Originally posted by randomguy:

the 40% hp thing instead of 1% is probably a feature just labelled as a glitch because people don’t like it,.

Devs usually say the opposite, if they can't be bothered fixing a bug. And coupled with how often new patches broke Hush (remember when Hush just didn't spawn half the time?), i say it's definitely a bug and there still are plenty left to squash in the game.

[randomguy]

Originally posted by randomguy:

the 40% hp thing instead of 1% is probably a feature just labelled as a glitch because people don’t like it,.

Devs usually say the opposite, if they can't be bothered fixing a bug. And coupled with how often new patches broke Hush (remember when Hush just didn't spawn half the time?), i say it's definitely a bug and there still are plenty left to squash in the game. [/quote]

if it is a bug why hasn't it been fixed in updates after it's been found

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by randomguy:

if it is a bug why hasn't it been fixed in updates after it's been found

That's a question, only the devs can answer. There are still quite a few bugs around[bindingofisaacrebirth.fandom.com] and according to kilburn, some gameplay elements still awaiting tweaks.

[Spicybullfrog]

Originally posted by randomguy:

Originally posted by randomguy:

the 40% hp thing instead of 1% is probably a feature just labelled as a glitch because people don’t like it,.

Devs usually say the opposite, if they can't be bothered fixing a bug. And coupled with how often new patches broke Hush (remember when Hush just didn't spawn half the time?), i say it's definitely a bug and there still are plenty left to squash in the game.
if it is a bug why hasn't it been fixed in updates after it's been found

iirc they confirmed it was a bug and said something about having serious trouble trying to fix it though this is just what i remember from being on the isaac discord server so take it with a grain of salt

[Nto987]

Yes it was a bug

[Cute E]

Does the bug still exist?

[Kharn the Betrayer]

Originally posted by Cute E:

Does the bug still exist?

Yep

[Gamonymous]

Originally posted by randomguy:

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by randomguy:

the 40% hp thing instead of 1% is probably a feature just labelled as a glitch because people don’t like it,.

Devs usually say the opposite, if they can't be bothered fixing a bug. And coupled with how often new patches broke Hush (remember when Hush just didn't spawn half the time?), i say it's definitely a bug and there still are plenty left to squash in the game.

if it is a bug why hasn't it been fixed in updates after it's been found

Originally posted by Spicybullfrog:

Originally posted by randomguy:

Devs usually say the opposite, if they can't be bothered fixing a bug. And coupled with how often new patches broke Hush (remember when Hush just didn't spawn half the time?), i say it's definitely a bug and there still are plenty left to squash in the game.
if it is a bug why hasn't it been fixed in updates after it's been found

iirc they confirmed it was a bug and said something about having serious trouble trying to fix it though this is just what i remember from being on the isaac discord server so take it with a grain of salt

Here are Kilburn's words[zupimages.net]

[randomguy]

damn i was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a year ago, thanks for the link.