Is Lost still difficult?

[pTrain]

I just completed the post it for the lost. For some reason, I felt motivated to just grind out all of the completion marks with him, especially since I recently unlocked holy mantle as a starting item for him.

Mega Satan was my last task, and it was hard. Thanks to Dad's Key and a Guppy transformation, I was able to get this final completion mark. I thought, "Finally, now I can go back to easy runs!"

But I didn't find that to be the case. My first play through was with Isaac. I thought, "An easy Isaac run should get me back into the swing of things!" The run wasn't so easy though. I actually found myself having to play more tactfully with Isaac and the D6 than I did with the Lost and Holy Mantle. As a matter of fact, I found the Lost to be much more forgiving in situations where the floor gave me a crappy item or no deal with the devil. It was also quite the advantage to take devil deals without any consequence.

Am I crazy, or is the Lost now one of the easier characters to play with? I often find myself in consistently better situations with the lost. WIth other characters, it takes much longer for me to reach that point where I think the run is a sure win (If I ever get there).

Although, you could also say that a run with the lost is rarely a sure win. Even with Gnawed leaf, sometimes I get hit before I can freeze.

What are your thoughts? While the lost is obviously easier to play now than he was in Rebirth, do you think he's actually easy to play with now? I feel like if you manage to survive, you're guarenteed a good run with Devil Deals.

[Haetae_Soymilk]

That's all because the Lost holds Holy Mantle. Unlike other characters, the Lost is free from the first strike in every room-although he have to pay with his death for the second strike. Imagine that the Lost starts with 9 lives and without Holy Mantle. Could you say that it would be still easy?

The reason that you feel Isaac's run is more 'tactical' than the Lost's one is because of the D6 and 'health' that he has. D6 makes you feel obligated to use it as much as you can, so you have to constantly think about it and clear all rooms in the floor. That makes the run much longer. Isaac has actual 'health', so you try to get soul hearts, and not completely hit by enemies. On the other hand, you don't need to think about health when playing the Lost...he has no health, and immune to the first strike in each room. So all you need is get items, not hit more than once in each room, and find the path to next floor. Yes, your feeling is right.

However, The Lost is surely a hard character for those who are not used to all enemies. But once you know all the enemy patterns and some rooms that needs instant reaction, the run with him is quickly becomes easy. If you feel that the Lost is really easy, it means that you're good enough to not get hit more than once in every room.

[Hoid]

No, with the holy mantle, I think the Lost is way easier. I beat half of the Lost achievements before Afterbirth came out...and most of those was getting a stupid over powered run or pure skill, other half getting stop watch (before it was nerfed) and holy mantle.

After greed mode came out, and I unlocked holy mantle...finishing Lost was not as bad. Now if you want to get better at the Lost, try completing everything with the Keeper...

imo, playing the Lost made me stupid good with all other characters, while playing the Keeper made me good at the Lost.

[Chubblezap]

Keeper is the new "Ultra Hard" mode, though he has some neat tricks as well regarding sacrifice rooms.
Lost is now just another character with a fun little gimmick, though he's certainly not "easy" by any means.

[thereisnofuture]

I had 7 streak on the lost. its not that hard anymore, its even fun on some level

[Haunted Aigis Plushie]

The lost is still quite difficult, since you are never truly "safe" in any situation in the game, since it's 2 hits and you're out. The Afterbirth update made him a lot more of his own character, however. While he is a bit easier starting out with Holy Mantle, he can still be significantly tougher than other characters.

[Rio]

Lost is easier than some of the other characters now.

[JellyPuff]

The Lost becomes the easiest, once you 100%ed him, since it's not about beating the run as him anymore.
Then you are free to abuse the most powerful active item (alongside the D100) to your hearts content. (so re-roll until Judas' Shadow/Ankh/Rags, suicide, then re-roll until OP/Tech-X)

[puur]

his difficulty scales with your ability to dodge alot more so than the other characters

[Phaper]

The Lost will never be easy.

His difficulty is a lot more fair now, with spectral tears + Holy Mantle.

[Deso]

Well after you get hit once (with the mantle), do an exit game.
It's like the old cheese, but less clunky.

[burn1none]

Lol yeah I play Lost for fun now, doing a normal run is pretty easy now. Still tough to get mega Stan, hush, and UG so it balances out. I'm glad they made him a fun character to play now