I hate everything, please buff holy card odds on tainted lost

[Drakodrak]

I had such a safe tainted lost run, with soy milk, choclate milk, tech 0 and godhead, but died to mega satans hand, which respawned after the fallen angel defeat. I lost my holy card in mf catacombs 1 and never got a new one, only got pills or normal cards. I am just frustrated right now, because it was the last mark for the normal runs and it was so damn safe, but died to an early hand respawn.
I like tainted lost a lot, because reminds me of the funny haha rebirth lost time back then, only that repentance is 1000% harder for a character concept like rebirth lost. The runs are really fun, even though I die very frequently, especially on alternate paths, but one thing is an issue, it's the rate which holy cards spawn and I wish birthright would buff the 10% chance to like 20% or something and not a lazy respawn. It's just insane how you probably never really get another holy card in a run sometimes. Would be just nice, if birthright buffs this stuff. I didn't got it in the mega satan run, but what if I had, what if I got an extra holy card, would it has saved my run? maybe, we never know, please buff holy card spawn with birthright, not an extra life you only get once

[Luna]

i feel like that would make tainted losts birthright worse. even if they buffed the chance of a card you might not find one but as it is right now finding it guarantees an extra hit bc it spawns you back it the same room

[Drakodrak]

ok but what if you got an holy card with it? like a bit more likely chance + a holy card. That would do the trick

[Luna]

yeah that would be better

[MarcoPants]

Find Glowing Hourglass + 4.5 Volt/48 Hour Energy pill/Hairpin trinket and keep at least one holy mantle charge. Just rewind time whenever you take a hit on your mantle and redo the room, and in the case of Hairpin (charges your active on entering a boss room), you can defeat ANY boss so long as you have a holy mantle effect to take a stray hit for you

[fromage_enrage]

The respawn is invaluable though.

[Senator Jim Death]

For the time being you could try that "start with the Wooden Cross" mod. Giving up your trinket slot in exchange for one hit every floor isn't quite the same tradeoff as giving up your pocket slot for an extra hit one time from a balance perspective, but I guess the alternative its just accepting that Tainted Lost is the "well just don't get hit, then" character, which it kind of is. After all, since generation is random you could still have a run where you have to leave a holy card behind on a floor, although certainly those must be pretty rare.

[Mastema]

Pretty much what MarcoPants said. The most aids mark for T.Lost to complete is greedier. Regarding Holy Card items like Deck of Cards or Booster Pack can become really helpful early on as well as Blank Card. Glowing Hourglass is still a god tier item for T.Lost either way and it's highly recommended when you're going for stuff like Beast or Mother. Blank Rune with Algiz can become pretty op too as long as you have a good battery item that gives charges for it more consistantly (4.5 volt, Battery Baby, The Battery)

[Drakodrak]

Thanks for the answers. Thought about putting wooden cross mod in, but I don't know... I just wanna survive with the holy cards, but runs are like 2 ways, either you get none/one holy card in the run or a ton, you have to leave behind and then don't get any more at all, may be just my experience, but it would be nice imo, if birthright would give a buff to the spawn rate + another holy card instead of 1 respawn.

[Drakodrak]

A last update on my tainted lost experience: I beat mega satan with the rewind hourglass, birthright, 1 holy card (i found 2 the entire run from basement to chest) and the soul of jacob and esau (which was a run saver for once). After my extra experiences after I wrote this discussion, which were like 5 solid runs, which went pretty far, I still think birthright should buff the holy card spawn numbers. There are just so many cards I got and rarely it was an extra holy card, but I see it when people favor a safe revive + damage to the surroundings over that. The only thing, that seperates me from dead god is tainted lost greedier mode mark, so wish me luck

[Devilock]

Originally posted by Drache:

A last update on my tainted lost experience: I beat mega satan with the rewind hourglass, birthright, 1 holy card (i found 2 the entire run from basement to chest) and the soul of jacob and esau (which was a run saver for once). After my extra experiences after I wrote this discussion, which were like 5 solid runs, which went pretty far, I still think birthright should buff the holy card spawn numbers. There are just so many cards I got and rarely it was an extra holy card, but I see it when people favor a safe revive + damage to the surroundings over that. The only thing, that seperates me from dead god is tainted lost greedier mode mark, so wish me luck

Tainted Lost greedier was literally impossible for me, so I ended up doing the D20 exploit to get it, took me a couple hours but it was fine, the only difficult part was dodging the troll bombs when the room is FULL of stuff

[Drakodrak]

Originally posted by Devilock:

Originally posted by Drache:

A last update on my tainted lost experience: I beat mega satan with the rewind hourglass, birthright, 1 holy card (i found 2 the entire run from basement to chest) and the soul of jacob and esau (which was a run saver for once). After my extra experiences after I wrote this discussion, which were like 5 solid runs, which went pretty far, I still think birthright should buff the holy card spawn numbers. There are just so many cards I got and rarely it was an extra holy card, but I see it when people favor a safe revive + damage to the surroundings over that. The only thing, that seperates me from dead god is tainted lost greedier mode mark, so wish me luck

Tainted Lost greedier was literally impossible for me, so I ended up doing the D20 exploit to get it, took me a couple hours but it was fine, the only difficult part was dodging the troll bombs when the room is FULL of stuff

interesting. I finished dead god today, tainted lost as well and I have to say the most annoying enemies were mom's skull hands. The rock eruption from them always got my mantle and I had to spent my money on new cards until I got a new holy card eventually. Luckily I got a decent run with counterfeit penny on the first floor, so I had a good amount of money.

[Keyaura]

Originally posted by Wilson:

Pretty much what MarcoPants said. The most aids mark for T.Lost to complete is greedier. Regarding Holy Card items like Deck of Cards or Booster Pack can become really helpful early on as well as Blank Card. Glowing Hourglass is still a god tier item for T.Lost either way and it's highly recommended when you're going for stuff like Beast or Mother. Blank Rune with Algiz can become pretty op too as long as you have a good battery item that gives charges for it more consistantly (4.5 volt, Battery Baby, The Battery)

my only advice for greedier is try and get blast resistance and orbitals and go for devil deals. t lost should be one of the last ug marks you go for, unless you know what youre doing

[MarcoPants]

Originally posted by Keyaura:

Originally posted by Wilson:

Pretty much what MarcoPants said. The most aids mark for T.Lost to complete is greedier. Regarding Holy Card items like Deck of Cards or Booster Pack can become really helpful early on as well as Blank Card. Glowing Hourglass is still a god tier item for T.Lost either way and it's highly recommended when you're going for stuff like Beast or Mother. Blank Rune with Algiz can become pretty op too as long as you have a good battery item that gives charges for it more consistantly (4.5 volt, Battery Baby, The Battery)

my only advice for greedier is try and get blast resistance and orbitals and go for devil deals. t lost should be one of the last ug marks you go for, unless you know what youre doing

Gotta say that I don't look forward to trying to do J+E Greedier mode. T. Lost was tough as nails, but tended to spiral into op-ness if I survived the first 2-3 floors and T. Jacob I did back before D. Esau became invincible (meaning when you defeat Ultra Greed's phase 1, D. Esau instantly dies since all enemies die when Greed does and turned you into L. Esau for phase 2, not to mention it could become stupid easy to accidentally kill D. Esau if you got too strong)