So who looked at Jacob and Esau and said "yea, that's fun"

[Heroshrine]

Worst character by far.

[11clock]

Agreed. Played them once, won the run, decided to never touch them again.

Bethany is fun, though. Has interesting synergies.

[BreakMan]

Jacob and esau is... I don't really have any stron opinion on them as I don't have any for bethany. for now I am just completeing the other characters completion marks 4/34 for now. Probably I am not going to enjoy them bc of the hitbox. Fun fact. I loved playing as keeper before the update and the lost (had every achievement in this game besides 1000000% and marathon before repentance came out) and both of them were possible to do. to be honest now I am trying to complete mother and dogma on the lost and I am just raging ( =. on tainted lost for now I only beated moms heart and isaac.

[orian34]

I have more progression marks for tainted lost than jacob and esau. Already beat hush, but with jacob barely did boss rush.

[2024 ***** Winter Sale]

Originally posted by orian34:

I have more progression marks for tainted lost than jacob and esau. Already beat hush, but with jacob barely did boss rush.

yoo, orian

[Mallix]

Worst character by far indeed. I'd much rather play as The Lost or The Keeper, Jacob and Esau are just too difficult.
Can't speak of the tainted characters yet as I've only unlocked a few and would rather not play as them before completing everything as the "normal" characters first... Jacob and Esau however are really not fun to play as though

[jayhena]

just completed seeing double earlier, and by womb, i already couldn't keep track of both hitbox AND enemies and their projectiles, it's too easy for one of them to get stuck on something, and at that point you just lose way too much hp struggling to recover

[Galetozin]

nice question, good idea but way poorly made.

[11clock]

Originally posted by Mallix:

Worst character by far indeed. I'd much rather play as The Lost or The Keeper, Jacob and Esau are just too difficult.
Can't speak of the tainted characters yet as I've only unlocked a few and would rather not play as them before completing everything as the "normal" characters first... Jacob and Esau however are really not fun to play as though

I wouldn’t say Jacob & Esau is too difficult, just obnoxiously complicated. I would expect something like this as one of the challenges, not a full blown character.

[ToxicBoo]

I'm positive that one of the first new mods for rep will turn jacob and esau into just jacob.

I think they're an interesting character, but not one i'd ever play casually after getting their unlocks.

[orian34]

Originally posted by ToxicBoo:

I'm positive that one of the first new mods for rep will turn jacob and esau into just jacob.

I think they're an interesting character, but not one i'd ever play casually after getting their unlocks.

Tainted keeper is hilarious for casual play

[ToxicBoo]

Originally posted by orian34:

Originally posted by ToxicBoo:

I'm positive that one of the first new mods for rep will turn jacob and esau into just jacob.

I think they're an interesting character, but not one i'd ever play casually after getting their unlocks.

Tainted keeper is hilarious for casual play

Oh yeah, Tainted Keeper is one of my new favorite characters.

[Jevmen]

ways to improve them.
1.Buffs from active items, pills and cards aplies to both charcaters
2.Make them both start with -1 size, biblicly they are the sons of Isaac, so it makes sense for them to be the smallest duo
3. 2 boss items like in multiplayer

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

Too many rooms i have come across that was either unavoidable damage or just death with Jacob and Easu... Did not think there would be a character i would want to play less than keeper. IMO worst idea of a character, not just a 'just learn mechanics haha' character. It is purely R till meta items RNG. Oh and the convoluted controls. the number of times i have bombed myself is staggering using the others' active and consumable pickup is completely backwards.

Character will likely be enough for me to not pursue 100% this time and i have done it for afterbirth twice and AB+ once.

[Daemonologist]

I feel like Jacob and Esau is designed as a full co-op character pair just crammed in as a single player one, most of the difficulty tends to come from the really awkward single player controls screwing you over in already chaotic rooms - it's especially bad when Esau gets stuck in a bad spot as you can't move just him to re-adjust, the controls simply don't allow it - it's either both or only Jacob.

If Esau actually followed Jacob unless you separate them intentionally, sort of like isaac's heart works now, instead of just moving the same way and getting stuck on things and inadvertently separating all the time because they even block and nudge each other, then at least it wouldn't feel like I'm fighting against the controls a lot of the time - something that is never the case with any other character.

Permanent flight on both or gnawed leaf cheese on Esau are options to make them far easier solo, but it's not like you can reliably get either of those in every run.

[Mallix]

Originally posted by 11clock:

Originally posted by Mallix:

Worst character by far indeed. I'd much rather play as The Lost or The Keeper, Jacob and Esau are just too difficult.
Can't speak of the tainted characters yet as I've only unlocked a few and would rather not play as them before completing everything as the "normal" characters first... Jacob and Esau however are really not fun to play as though

I wouldn’t say Jacob & Esau is too difficult, just obnoxiously complicated. I would expect something like this as one of the challenges, not a full blown character.

I find him difficult, you're basically starting a run with pre-repentance Isaac's Heart, or with two characters with half as many items as you'd expect on 1 character and twice the hitbox. In some rooms, which are designed to be played as one character it's literally (no exaggeration) impossible to dodge an incoming attack unless you lighting reflexes teleport yourself out of there and even then it may be a necessary room to traverse through.

I played a Keeper run a while after struggling with Jacob and Esau and beat Mother on the first try.
And sure The Keeper has been buffed to a massive degree but even pre-buff I'd still have prefered to play as The Keeper