Does Edmund and the repentance dev Team hate fun?

[Sean]

Ok first off i want to say, I am not insulting any one who likes the game in its current state, you can enjoy it, but for me an most of my friends the game has just become tedious and annoying.

Isaac is my favorite game of all time ,but this update just leaves a sour taste in my mouth, not because the bosses or enemies are new and i don't recognize the patterns but just because the game has become less fun. Faster shots on enemies cause slower characters to just always get hit, reroll machines no longer appear in shops and are much rarer in item rooms. Many item pools were nerfed in general. Guppy, flies, and spiders nerfed. Breaking the game almost never happens anymore. Idk why they think the game has to be impossibly difficult to be fun. Look at rebirth lost, it was a hard character that was rewarded if you could survive to devil deals. Eventually they let the lost start with holy mantel after an unlock and that made into a very fun character. There was still a challenge but also forgiveness if you some BS thing that happened. So many things in the game could be used by someone will diligence to get an advantage. But now we have to play how they want to use to play, cant break the game anymore thats not what edmund wants.

If you read my long rant let me just say this. I like most of the new content, its very exciting and fun. However, many of the changes brought to this update just do not make sense and actively make the game worse. Also I do not want to get started on the disaster that are Jacob and Esau/ tainted jacob/tainted laz.

[Ykario]

Well, tainted Char' are meant to be harder. So tainted Lost is of course gonna be harder than Lost. They're meant to test your skill with unique things.

Tainted Jaco, for example, is really hard. But if you're good, you can use Dark Esau as an offensive "item".

For the rest of your rent : Yeah. The made the game balanced. It's not "fun" anymore because they don't just spoon feed you broken runs. I can understand why it sucks for you. But I personally think it's a really good thing. You don't have autowin runs anymore and have to work for it. The game was way too easy before, the only challenge was to start a fresh save so you don't have broken items every game.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Ykario:

Well, tainted Char' are meant to be harder. So tainted Lost is of course gonna be harder than Lost. They're meant to test your skill with unique things.

Tainted Jaco, for example, is really hard. But if you're good, you can use Dark Esau as an offensive "item".

For the rest of your rent : Yeah. The made the game balanced. It's not "fun" anymore because they don't just spoon feed you broken runs. I can understand why it sucks for you. But I personally think it's a really good thing. You don't have autowin runs anymore and have to work for it. The game was way too easy before, the only challenge was to start a fresh save so you don't have broken items every game.

what a joke of a reply. anyone that says you auto-won run before is just joking. Also theres a difference better hard and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Tainted jacob is BS, there are multiple rooms that can force you to take damage, that is defiantly testing my skill. Explain how removing skill expression made the game better.

[Souren]

Rly guys if u dont like repentance just deactivate the dlc and play with afterbirth+. Repentance is the best dlc released with insane content and fun mechanics, sure its not all perfect some nerfs are unnecessary but there are tons of new synergies.

[Ykario]

Originally posted by Sean:

Originally posted by Ykario:

Well, tainted Char' are meant to be harder. So tainted Lost is of course gonna be harder than Lost. They're meant to test your skill with unique things.

Tainted Jaco, for example, is really hard. But if you're good, you can use Dark Esau as an offensive "item".

For the rest of your rent : Yeah. The made the game balanced. It's not "fun" anymore because they don't just spoon feed you broken runs. I can understand why it sucks for you. But I personally think it's a really good thing. You don't have autowin runs anymore and have to work for it. The game was way too easy before, the only challenge was to start a fresh save so you don't have broken items every game.

what a joke of a reply. anyone that says you auto-won run before is just joking. Also theres a difference better hard and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Tainted jacob is BS, there are multiple rooms that can force you to take damage, that is defiantly testing my skill. Explain how removing skill expression made the game better.

What type of room "forces" you to take damage ?

And yes, before the maj, you had a lot of auto-win runs as long as you survived the first 2 floors. Going Devil Deal made the run easy af, with broken items all over.

Tainted character are a test of skill. Jacob included. You're just not good enough for it. And it's ok. Nobody forces you to play it if you don't like it, sure you won't unlock it's items. And ? You don't need them, you can always come back later when you're better at the game, better at dodging etc.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Ykario:

Originally posted by Sean:

what a joke of a reply. anyone that says you auto-won run before is just joking. Also theres a difference better hard and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Tainted jacob is BS, there are multiple rooms that can force you to take damage, that is defiantly testing my skill. Explain how removing skill expression made the game better.

What type of room "forces" you to take damage ?

And yes, before the maj, you had a lot of auto-win runs as long as you survived the first 2 floors. Going Devil Deal made the run easy af, with broken items all over.

Tainted character are a test of skill. Jacob included. You're just not good enough for it. And it's ok. Nobody forces you to play it if you don't like it, sure you won't unlock it's items. And ? You don't need them, you can always come back later when you're better at the game, better at dodging etc.

every single person just says the game was auto win, yet never shows any proof. And there are multiple rooms such as the room with bomb flies and a straight path in caves that force you to get hit on tainted jacob. Also just saying tainted characters are a test of skill is a joke, some tainted character are the best characters in the game. Seems like you really dont understand the game and are just defending it blindly.

[Dyne]

Originally posted by Ykario:

What type of room "forces" you to take damage ?

There's literally a post on the front page of this forum about a room with unavoidable damage as T. Jacob lol and i can say for sure i've had runs ended to several rooms with similar circumstances.

Also, tainted characters being a test of skill? lmao they're all both easier and less boring than their main counterparts except ones like lost/laz so pls get off ur high horse with your 'just git gud bro' talk

[Sean]

Originally posted by Axel:

Originally posted by Ykario:

What type of room "forces" you to take damage ?

There's literally a post on the front page of this forum about a room with unavoidable damage as T. Jacob lol

Also, tainted characters being a test of skill? lmao they're all both easier and less boring than their main counterparts except ones like lost/laz so pls get off ur high horse with your 'just git gud bro' talk

ikr, tainted laz is just a not fun character. You get half of your items at a time. It would be way more enjoyable if the active item had a like timed cooldown or was just a few rooms, then you could actually use both effectively

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Well that's how devs see this as an end for this one. It's not perfect, but I can relate with the vision.

It only affect me at the start, but now it feels like the same game as I was playing all the time.

[Omertoso]

Originally posted by Miles (Tails) Prower:

It only affect me at the start, but now it feels like the same game as I was playing all the time.

Same here. I don't see all this "impossibly difficult" stuff mentioned here in my runs. I don't have much experience with Tainted Lazarus, but with Jacob & Esau and Tainted Jacob I've started to learn some strategies that help the run somewhat and avoid the bullpoop situations. Sure, they're not easy characters, but who said they were supposed to be?

(yes, I'm aware of the bomb fly room. yes, it looks terrible. no, I haven't encountered it. I'll see how it goes when I see it.)

Originally posted by Seth:

Rly guys if u dont like repentance just deactivate the dlc and play with afterbirth+.

people want to play new content. people want to be around where new and cool things happen, even if that means voicing their disappointments. they voice their disappointments because they want to be able to enjoy the new content and experience the new things people talk about. telling them to go back to the old ways won't help them get what they want, meaning they won't listen to you.

and the OP said they like most of the new content. no idea why they're being so hostile, though.

[Leopanther]

Just a random thought.

If you end up in a really bad room with 'unavoidable' damage for Tainted Jacob .. can't you just press Anima Sola to hold him in place, and use a bomb to open the door (behind you or at the other end of the room, depending where you have to go) and get out of the room before Esau gets free?

I feel like as long as there are tools available to deal with any particular room, it's still somewhat fair. Sure, maybe you don't have bombs on you at that time - or some other means to deal with the room, like a card to escape or so much damage that the enemies die quickly and the doors open before Esau gets his unavoidable hit in. And if he does get that hit in, you're not dead - you can now move with flying which opens up the entire room to avoid damage from that point on. Just trying to add a bit of a different perspective. (not that I haven't had plenty of runs that ended up with quitting in frustration after dying in an annoying way)

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Sean:

every single person just says the game was auto win, yet never shows any proof.

"Press R to win" was a valid strategy, that's proof enough to my mind. Overpowered items got nerfed, so it doesn't work as well as it used to anymore.

[Gingusa]

my god you people wont stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. love the new update and the increased difficulty. stfu

[Ace]

Originally posted by Sean:

Originally posted by Ykario:

What type of room "forces" you to take damage ?

And yes, before the maj, you had a lot of auto-win runs as long as you survived the first 2 floors. Going Devil Deal made the run easy af, with broken items all over.

Tainted character are a test of skill. Jacob included. You're just not good enough for it. And it's ok. Nobody forces you to play it if you don't like it, sure you won't unlock it's items. And ? You don't need them, you can always come back later when you're better at the game, better at dodging etc.

every single person just says the game was auto win, yet never shows any proof. And there are multiple rooms such as the room with bomb flies and a straight path in caves that force you to get hit on tainted jacob. Also just saying tainted characters are a test of skill is a joke, some tainted character are the best characters in the game. Seems like you really dont understand the game and are just defending it blindly.:resmile:

If you want a proof that every run was auto win, check sinvicta youtube channel, a guy had literally 700+ win streak. As for the rooms and Jacob, you need luck just like with any other character or build, rewriting old rooms for a specific character is ridiculous. There are no best character in the game either, it all depends on the preference of who you are comfortable playing with, some people even find Lost as the best characters due to free devil deals and curse rooms. I guess you are the one that knows nothing about the game afterall.

[Charles Pierce]

I may feel differently in the future but I don't see how these complaints haven't always applied. It's always been a game (even back on flash) where you can get a lot of runs that you have to fight tooth and nail to finally turn around. That or they still fail and you feel like you just wasted half an hour.

I can't say I've been that salty during this expansion seeing as a lot of items make 3.5 default damage bearable.

I also barely played Afterbirth/Afterbirth+ so there's that.

[orian34]

Originally posted by Ace:

As for the rooms and Jacob, you need luck just like with any other character or build, rewriting old rooms for a specific character is ridiculous.

The problem is that getting unlucky just ends your run here. Even tainted lost isn't as punishing