Is there ANYTHING I can do to make Jacob & Esau easier to get anything unlocked with?

[Ender Engineer]

Honestly, I am so sick and tired of trying to reach The Chest with this duo legit. Balancing all the items and their health is a nasty thing I'm not having an easy time with. I want that Birthright so badly, but I don't have any idea on how to make playing as them easier.

And I can't find any mods that work with Repentance, so I can't just make myself invincible. Just saying.

[Shekelford]

Restart until you get get 9-lives on Esau makes a big difference. You can restart until you get library for invincibility on Esau if you get lucky with your books. Holy Mantle makes it easier to manage him but that's going to be much harder to reroll for. Telekinesis actually worked very well on him as well as knockback beans just for when things are getting too close.

You will want to grab the photo with him and keep his max health low for the shield. Combined with a Dark Bum and you have a good chance of keeping him "mostly" alive.

There are some rooms you are honestly just going to take a lot of hits or wipe on, there's not much you can do there.

[SoldierDelta]

I need to check two things:
- Are you going down the main path?
- Are you using Devil Deals?

If both are yes, then stop that, that's making your life harder. I strongly suggest snagging both items in the alt path item rooms and doing the same with angel deals.

[Apollyon Pal]

Play normal mode if all you care about is the unlocks

[XZero]

Originally posted by Ender Engineer:

And I can't find any mods that work with Repentance, so I can't just make myself invincible. Just saying.

Well if you don’t mind cheating, I heard of a way...

Bring them into co-op with a character you want to use. Let them die.
Somehow they still get clear marks while dead. Not sure if this got fixed in the recent update though. Partly because I’m not doing this myself.

[Ender Engineer]

Never thought of taking the Alt route, but should I stop taking that route after the second part of The Mines/Ash pit? And I have been playing on Normal.

[SoldierDelta]

Originally posted by Ender Engineer:

Never thought of taking the Alt route, but should I stop taking that route after the second part of The Mines/Ash pit? And I have been playing on Normal.

I recommend at least doing Dross/Downpour, but if you feel experienced, do Mines and Maus. Trust me, the extra items are worth it.

FYI, line up the characters and make them take both items. There are some item layouts that make it hard, but the speed stat is shared, so it can't be that hard to arrange them to pick up both items.

[Ender Engineer]

Good to know. I've gotten lining them up down easily since I've done that a few times for The Boss Rush. Also helps with blowing up mushrooms.

[orian34]

Originally posted by Ender Engineer:

Good to know. I've gotten lining them up down easily since I've done that a few times for The Boss Rush. Also helps with blowing up mushrooms.

The biggest thing for this trick, is that it can be done on angel deals too. Always get angel deals with them, as it's double reward

[K1]

I donno, just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheat

[Ender Engineer]

Originally posted by orian34:

Originally posted by Ender Engineer:

Good to know. I've gotten lining them up down easily since I've done that a few times for The Boss Rush. Also helps with blowing up mushrooms.

The biggest thing for this trick, is that it can be done on angel deals too. Always get angel deals with them, as it's double reward

I'll remember that if I get any Angel Rooms.

[Death Grips]

Git Gud

In all reality, Jacob and Esau are just characters with a bad mechanic for a game like this, in which precise movement is essential to playing well. Getting a good run as Jacob and Esau is heavily dependent upon getting good items, the majority of which I personally invest into Jacob. Like others have said, taking the alternate paths allows you to get double items in the treasure rooms by lining Jacob and Esau to each take a pedestal. Depending on your experience, you'll know the ways to maximize your runs, which is always helpful. Beyond that, just try to keep the two synced with each other, and learn how to quickly resync them if they become separated, be it via damage or an obstacle.

[Ender Engineer]

Originally posted by Death Grips:

Git Gud

In all reality, Jacob and Esau are just characters with a bad mechanic for a game like this, in which precise movement is essential to playing well. Getting a good run as Jacob and Esau is heavily dependent upon getting good items, the majority of which I personally invest into Jacob. Like others have said, taking the alternate paths allows you to get double items in the treasure rooms by lining Jacob and Esau to each take a pedestal. Depending on your experience, you'll know the ways to maximize your runs, which is always helpful. Beyond that, just try to keep the two synced with each other, and learn how to quickly resync them if they become separated, be it via damage or an obstacle.

Thanks for the info, and for not just saying 'git gud' and leaving it at that. Personally, I hate that because it's not helpful at all.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by XZero:

Originally posted by Ender Engineer:

And I can't find any mods that work with Repentance, so I can't just make myself invincible. Just saying.

Well if you don’t mind cheating, I heard of a way...

Bring them into co-op with a character you want to use. Let them die.
Somehow they still get clear marks while dead. Not sure if this got fixed in the recent update though. Partly because I’m not doing this myself.

As an aside, Devil Deal chance is shared and characters are resurrected at the start of each floor. As such, find ways to profitably suicide them (Curse Rooms and Sacrifice Rooms are ideal, as they don't affect Devil Deal chance anymore).

[Bonk Boy]

Originally posted by Apollyon Pal:

Play normal mode if all you care about is the unlocks

most new unlocks are only are hard mode only

[Ender Engineer]

Originally posted by B☢nk Boy:

Originally posted by Apollyon Pal:

Play normal mode if all you care about is the unlocks

most new unlocks are only are hard mode only

Not for Jacob & Esau.