Tainted Jacob being worse then Tainted Lost is hilariois...

[Magus Coldfire]

I like Repentance. I really do. But after getting all achievements on Tainted Lost, I thought I finally managed to complete the worst character and was looking forward to the "more fun ones", since they have live and can sustain some hits.

But now I've read about Tainted Jacob and thought: "How hard can it be? You have health and just dodge that guy a little bit. Annoying but doable".

How wrong I was... In the first few levels, Tainted Jacob is no big problem. You can easily finish the first 4-5 levels. But this character punishes you for getting any damage and area of effect at all... I was close before first Mom fight and had Ghost Pepper and Twisted Pair and a good amount of attack speed/luck. I started the stage with mom and as soon as Esau appeared and some flame hit him, he immidiatly died... I had literally no chance to NOT get transformed into Lost. Even if Esau would've survived the first room, sooner or later he would have died. And getting into Lost form is worse the Lost/Tainted Lost themselves, because you don't have ANY Holy Mantle Effect, not even a one-time holy card effect. You get hit from Esau and you're very likely done for. And even IF you survive the level, Esau will probably die instantly in the next stage as well.

We need a serious solution for that. It's just not fun to play him. This character punishes you for the most fun part of the game: Getting good damage items and less controllable synergies. Even without those it's already a very hard game, because if you don't have damage, bosses are extraordinary hard if it takes forever to kill them.

So my suggestion:

- Esau needs to stay further away from Jacob. If you stay still, he stays exactly one tile away from Jacob, literally touching him. I would increase the distance to 2 tiles
- Esau flight direction should be shown as a straight line, give the player an indicator of where to NOT stand. Because sometimes he is hard to read
- Birthright effect that makes handling Esau way easier would be great. Something like this: Reducement of Esaus Flight/Attack Speed reduced by 30%, or Esaus keeps even more distance to Jacob (like +50%), or Esau will stay friendly for 10 seconds when entering a room

This alone would make it much easier to handle and giving some space to use AoE attacks.

[Tosin]

imho all TJacob needs is Dark Esau's proper hp AND damage reduction scaling, also maybe some kind of regen. NOT killing esau should be a way to play Tjacob. Just dont play it now, wait for console releases with patch on pc

[MarcoPants]

I run more into the problem of Dark Esau killing himself on spiked rock or red poops more than accidentally killing him myself. Some explosion heavy trap rooms will also nuke Esau instantly with no real way to avoid it. A simple fix to all this? Make Dark Esau completely invincible

As for not knowing where Esau's charge is going, there is a mod called (if I remember off the top of my head correctly) Dark Esau Helper which puts a line down whenever he charges or is held with Anima Sola, showing you where to avoid standing. You can also toggle a health bar to be permanently shown on Dark Esau with the mod

[Magus Coldfire]

Originally posted by MarcoPants:

I run more into the problem of Dark Esau killing himself on spiked rock or red poops more than accidentally killing him myself. Some explosion heavy trap rooms will also nuke Esau instantly with no real way to avoid it. A simple fix to all this? Make Dark Esau completely invincible

As for not knowing where Esau's charge is going, there is a mod called (if I remember off the top of my head correctly) Dark Esau Helper which puts a line down whenever he charges or is held with Anima Sola, showing you where to avoid standing. You can also toggle a health bar to be permanently shown on Dark Esau with the mod

Ofc Dark Esau should be immune to all things like spiked rocks or red poop. Such a terrible design... Especially since he can't fly through these things, he immidietly dies.