Lost dying in one shot with holy mantle on????

[LVinceXP]

I keep finding different instances in Repentance where I just instantly die to certain attacks. Like the flies/dead guys that drop fire that splits in a cross? Yeah it insta kills Lost through holy mantle. The dead animation for the mines boss with the rolling spike rocks? The explosion insta kills you. It's a pain in the ass and idk if it's intentional, especially that last one since it just cost me an R key run with the Lost on one of my best runs so far while I was trying to get my completion marks...

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Holy mantle was nerfed. Instead of ab+ 1 second(?) You get 0.5 seconds of I-frames.

[SandTag]

Originally posted by LVinceXP:

I keep finding different instances in Repentance where I just instantly die to certain attacks. Like the flies/dead guys that drop fire that splits in a cross? Yeah it insta kills Lost through holy mantle. The dead animation for the mines boss with the rolling spike rocks? The explosion insta kills you. It's a pain in the ass and idk if it's intentional, especially that last one since it just cost me an R key run with the Lost on one of my best runs so far while I was trying to get my completion marks...

holy mantle is so bad now you would be just as well to not have it.

the invulnerability against things that arnt multihits is almost 0

[Narga95]

The only thing that holy mantle helps with is blocking a projectile hit, everything else depends on how fast you are moving.

[Calamity Heart]

Originally posted by LVinceXP:

I keep finding different instances in Repentance where I just instantly die to certain attacks. Like the flies/dead guys that drop fire that splits in a cross? Yeah it insta kills Lost through holy mantle. The dead animation for the mines boss with the rolling spike rocks? The explosion insta kills you. It's a pain in the ass and idk if it's intentional, especially that last one since it just cost me an R key run with the Lost on one of my best runs so far while I was trying to get my completion marks...

Holy Mantle has less invulnerability frames, meaning that certain attacks that can multihit will connect after popping mantle if, for some reason, you decide not to move out of them.

The nerf sucks, but even so, there has to come a point where you just need to be paying attention more, too. You can tell from the eyes of those fire flies in the mines which direction their cross-shaped fire is going to go. And when you know where they're going, it's very easy to dodge them, especially as the Lost, who can fly. You shouldn't get hit by it, and you definitely shouldn't be standing in it long enough to get hit by it twice. You're just not moving correctly, it sounds like. Or not being careful enough as the Lost.

As for Singe, why were you close enough to him for his death explosion to hurt you? He doesn't blow up instantly. You have a second to move out of range, and again, you can fly. Was that your first time fighting him? If you're sure you had mantle, that might have been a bug, and you should report it, but if that was an R Key run, it sounds more likely to me that you were loaded on items and cosmetic changes that prevented you from seeing clearly if you had Mantle or not, and it just turned out, when you were standing next to an exploding boss, that you uh... didn't have it. Not calling you a liar, just offering up a possible explanation.

In general, being on a good run is never an excuse to ever play carelessly as the Lost. If you want to find a mod that reverts Mantle back to what it was before, you have that option, I suppose, but the solution to your issue, at least for those two enemies in particular, is just be more careful.

[Peanutman]

Originally posted by SandTag:

Originally posted by LVinceXP:

I keep finding different instances in Repentance where I just instantly die to certain attacks. Like the flies/dead guys that drop fire that splits in a cross? Yeah it insta kills Lost through holy mantle. The dead animation for the mines boss with the rolling spike rocks? The explosion insta kills you. It's a pain in the ass and idk if it's intentional, especially that last one since it just cost me an R key run with the Lost on one of my best runs so far while I was trying to get my completion marks...

holy mantle is so bad now you would be just as well to not have it.

the invulnerability against things that arnt multihits is almost 0

I can confirm no mantle is MUCH worse than nerfed mantle. Just don't be dumb and stand in a brimstone laser without moving. There are of course some instances where it IS bs, but they aren't really common until the later levels and final bosses

[LVinceXP]

Originally posted by Calamity Heart:

Originally posted by LVinceXP:

I keep finding different instances in Repentance where I just instantly die to certain attacks. Like the flies/dead guys that drop fire that splits in a cross? Yeah it insta kills Lost through holy mantle. The dead animation for the mines boss with the rolling spike rocks? The explosion insta kills you. It's a pain in the ass and idk if it's intentional, especially that last one since it just cost me an R key run with the Lost on one of my best runs so far while I was trying to get my completion marks...

Holy Mantle has less invulnerability frames, meaning that certain attacks that can multihit will connect after popping mantle if, for some reason, you decide not to move out of them.

The nerf sucks, but even so, there has to come a point where you just need to be paying attention more, too. You can tell from the eyes of those fire flies in the mines which direction their cross-shaped fire is going to go. And when you know where they're going, it's very easy to dodge them, especially as the Lost, who can fly. You shouldn't get hit by it, and you definitely shouldn't be standing in it long enough to get hit by it twice. You're just not moving correctly, it sounds like. Or not being careful enough as the Lost.

As for Singe, why were you close enough to him for his death explosion to hurt you? He doesn't blow up instantly. You have a second to move out of range, and again, you can fly. Was that your first time fighting him? If you're sure you had mantle, that might have been a bug, and you should report it, but if that was an R Key run, it sounds more likely to me that you were loaded on items and cosmetic changes that prevented you from seeing clearly if you had Mantle or not, and it just turned out, when you were standing next to an exploding boss, that you uh... didn't have it. Not calling you a liar, just offering up a possible explanation.

In general, being on a good run is never an excuse to ever play carelessly as the Lost. If you want to find a mod that reverts Mantle back to what it was before, you have that option, I suppose, but the solution to your issue, at least for those two enemies in particular, is just be more careful.

Honestly I wasn't busted op or anything yet, I had to R key before the Isaac fight because I was too weak and lost 3 of my 9 lives trying to beat it. Also it was one of the first few times I'd fought the boss, I kinda forgot he exploded and I definently didn't expect to get one shot through holy mantle after I already killed a boss ya know? Also I wasn't standing in the fire from the flies, I was moving but it just hit proc'd me twice as it went through somehow, it felt like instant death.