Disappointed With New Co-Op. 😢

[ChiliJelly]

I love the idea of having 2, 3 or 4 Isaacs and getting to play with your friends, but i"m really disappointed with how items are going to function in the new co-op experience.

When one person takes a pedestal item, it does not apply to your co-op friends. This leads to a problem where it becomes more efficient to just give 1 person most of the items, since giving tears, damage, or any kind of multiplicative or synergistic bonus will be stronger if you're giving it to the person that already has the best stats/items.

This is fundamentally un-fun. It's essentially how the mod true-co op works right now which I honestly don't bother with because of this problem

My personal solution to this would to be to make either that taken pedestal items apply to everyone in your game, or make it so treasure rooms spawn multiple items. Then, each of those items could be locked so only a specific player can take it, or make it so that each person can only take 1 item and you get to choose which one goes to what person, and because this decreases the difficulty of the game, you could just increase monster hp scaling to compensate.

Idk. Just based on how things are now with the upcoming co op, It's looking like I'm not really gonna be playing Repentance with my friends and that makes me very sad :(

[76561199120421863]

wait its online co op now?
wanna play

[ChiliJelly]

Originally posted by thegamerlegend:

wait its online co op now?
wanna play

No it's still local co op.

[76561199120421863]

dang when will they add it its what the game needs

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

Idk. Just based on how things are now with the upcoming co op, It's looking like I'm not really gonna be playing Repentance with my friends and that makes me very sad :(

You could also stick to baby coop if you prefer.

Originally posted by thegamerlegend:

dang when will they add it its what the game needs

As far as we know: never.

[ChiliJelly]

Originally posted by thegamerlegend:

dang when will they add it its what the game needs

It's never gonna happen

[WitchAmy]

I'm 100% sure there will be mods that will allow the items to apply to all players, dw

[Edward H.B]

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

Originally posted by thegamerlegend:

dang when will they add it its what the game needs

It's never gonna happen

there is something called "Remote Play Thogeter"

[Narga95]

The new coop it's fine as it is. We have to look up at what we have, what we will have, and what we possibly could have to decide if this decision is good or not and in terms of balance and fun is good.

What we have: the only way to play coop is to join as babies that have special effects and share our items. It's fine and dandy, but it's honestly not so fun when you can play as babies that can basically cheat (the immortal one and the rainbow poop one to make an example), you basically can suck at the game and still win because you play with someone who abuses the power of babies, meh. This will remain and coexist with true coop.

What we will have: true coop lets you choose a real second character that won't share pedestal items and can't fly but can still pickup items. The only pedestal items both can get is the boss items. Honestly this is very balanced, since most of the time if you're a good player sometimes you won't even touch some pedestal items since they will ruin your combos or something, or something not even do much (like specific interactions), but your friend can and will allow both of you to play with playstiles you want. Ever played a dr fetus run in coop? Yeah, it's not fun. And most of the time the second player would like to choose Azazel anyway so you don't want every item anyway.

What we could have: everything is shared! Why should you ever think about some unlikeable items like finding dr fetus and epic fetus in the same run and sharing them between one and another? Or making one pick damage items and the other a soymilk build? It happens way more often to find stat up items and you won't want to share those ever.
But think about how easy is the game when two or more players have the same stats, that will only double your damage and health making the game so much easier and that it's the same as using some babies that won't die or replenish your life. In the true coop mode you don't have to share heart containers so why should you share stats too? If you want to play easier mode just go with babies in the future, or get a mod, but even then you will not have that much fun.

[SLAIN]

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

I love the idea of having 2, 3 or 4 Isaacs and getting to play with your friends, but i"m really disappointed with how items are going to function in the new co-op experience.

When one person takes a pedestal item, it does not apply to your co-op friends. This leads to a problem where it becomes more efficient to just give 1 person most of the items, since giving tears, damage, or any kind of multiplicative or synergistic bonus will be stronger if you're giving it to the person that already has the best stats/items.

This is fundamentally un-fun. It's essentially how the mod true-co op works right now which I honestly don't bother with because of this problem

My personal solution to this would to be to make either that taken pedestal items apply to everyone in your game, or make it so treasure rooms spawn multiple items. Then, each of those items could be locked so only a specific player can take it, or make it so that each person can only take 1 item and you get to choose which one goes to what person, and because this decreases the difficulty of the game, you could just increase monster hp scaling to compensate.

Idk. Just based on how things are now with the upcoming co op, It's looking like I'm not really gonna be playing Repentance with my friends and that makes me very sad :(

So you want to make the game a joke by duplicating the items to everyone?

Why give one person all the items, wouldn't be much fun for the other players.

[Full_Metal_Meme]

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

It's never gonna happen

there is something called "Remote Play Thogeter"

remote play always seems to hardly work for me, usually in the way where everything is incredibly stuttery or laggy.

It's probably my internet, so I'm not really sure.

[ChiliJelly]

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

It's never gonna happen

there is something called "Remote Play Thogeter"

Remote play is local co op not online co op. Actual online co op won't happen for isaac.

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

there is something called "Remote Play Thogeter"

Remote play is local co op not online co op. Actual online co op won't happen for isaac.

To be more precise: Remote Play (or Parsec, or any other alternative) allows "distant local coop", with the "distant" (online) part outside of the game itself.

[Ninjamaa]

It will be eventually modded in dont worry

[Tonymacaroni2706]

Do people not know about the true co-op addon mod that allows for all the players to get their own pedastals. So why complain when u can just get the mod that is fair for everyone

[Edward H.B]

Originally posted by Oops I Loop:

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

there is something called "Remote Play Thogeter"

Remote play is local co op not online co op. Actual online co op won't happen for isaac.

you can literally share your "stream" link via Remote play, and anybody (even people who dont have the game) can enter and play

the only thing, is that everyone but 1 need joysticks to play (1 can use keyboard)

if this doesn't make Isaac Online, then idk what it is