Balances and The Lost nerf

[whyeven]

I haven't been able to start the DLC yet, but I'm hearing about the numerous amounts of rebalancing and it's making me wary to try and start from scratch. I was moreso hoping for balancing like getting rid of situations where you get auto damaged when you walk into a room and rooms where the enemies dog-pile you and you just instantly die because they're faster than you and your shot speed isn't fast enough, and less-so nerfing a bunch of the stronger items and from what I hear hitting The Lost hard.
I think it's cool that apparently Keeper has 3 coin which is more manageable than 2 because sometimes that 2 really sucked, and i think 3 coin is a good offset for how abysmal his shot speed is. But what is everyones thoughts on these apparent Lost nerfs? Weakening Holy Mantle is sort of whatever, i hear it doesn't get rerolled anymore so I'm not butthurt that it doesn't last as long. However what about the devil deal thing? I feel like a big appeal of Lost was that you could offset the glass cannon aspect by getting the really good Angel/Devil Items, but if you can't get the devil items and half the items in the game are useless, how are you supposed to deal with the natural difficulty progression of the game as you go deeper? Ideally you get the Devil Items because your boss item is likely to be worthless health and a ton of the treasure items do nothing, but now you just get one, hindering Losts progression.
In the event that these are accurate nerfs I really don't see why I'd want to play the Lost besides to get my marks and be done, it just sounds worse than OG Lost and old Keeper, which sucks because the Lost was definitely my favorite character because of how unique it functioned. Are you guys still interested in playing The Lost like a normal character and what do you think of the changes?

[Timbermaw]

why don't you play it before making a wall of text

[whyeven]

Originally posted by Timbermaw:

why don't you play it before making a wall of text

Why don't you read past the first sentence before posting a stupid reply?

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Originally posted by whyeven:

Originally posted by Timbermaw:

why don't you play it before making a wall of text

Why don't you read past the first sentence before posting a stupid reply?

In his defense: this is REALLY hard to read. Use some formatting please.

[UwU]

Atleast while you're not getting a lot devil deal items as The Lost, there's now guarantee boss item in boss challenge rooms, so better chance to get something besides breakfast. And I think there's no other character that can easily get in them (except from secret room entrance)

[Jevmen]

To be fair, i hate the lost now.
The holy mantle nerf is insane

[whyeven]

Originally posted by Jevmen:

To be fair, i hate the lost now.
The holy mantle nerf is insane

That's my fear, while i don't mind the holy mantle nerf on paper i really don't want to hate playing it because of weird retroactive "balances" on a character that's been in the game for years. At least the other times it was just giving the lost another item to make it more feasible for casual players, this is way different