Piggy Bank + Keeper.

[Phaper]

I picked up Piggy Bank on a Keeper run because it has the Swallowed Penny effect, and thought it gave me a pretty good shot at beating the game.

While farming a Sacrifice Room for Key Pieces, I noticed I wasn't dropping money the way it was supposed to.

After I died, I checked the Wiki and found this:

"When held by Keeper, it will drop 0-1 coins instead."

One of the few high survivability items for Keeper was nerfed specifically so it doesn't offer the specified benefit, and there's no indication of that in the game.

[ayebeesea]

i suggest you delete this thread if you cant handle trolls because from what ive seen people are gonna get angry at this pointless thread

[Phaper]

Currently on the first page of the Rebirth board are threads about:

-Isaac's sexual orientation
-an 'anyone wanna talk' thread
-a thread in Russian

and a thread about Keeper + Swallowed Penny.

This place isn't exactly over-flowing with deep and meaningful threads.

[burn1none]

Actually this is good to know in my opinion, it's an effect that isnt completely obvious like what swallowed penny does alone. I think in Rebirth it was guaranteed. I only gave the other guy a hard time because getting swallowed penny is like step 1 to playing the keeper, I thought everyone just knew that

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Phaper:

Currently on the first page of the Rebirth board are threads about:

-Isaac's sexual orientation
-an 'anyone wanna talk' thread
-a thread in Russian

and a thread about Keeper + Swallowed Penny.

This place isn't exactly over-flowing with deep and meaningful threads.

I laughed out loud, it's so true it hurts. The whole Isaac's sexual orientation thread just makes me wanna cry

[Phaper]

Originally posted by burn1none:

Actually this is good to know in my opinion, it's an effect that isnt completely obvious like what swallowed penny does alone. I think in Rebirth it was guaranteed. I only gave the other guy a hard time because getting swallowed penny is like step 1 to playing the keeper, I thought everyone just knew that

It's weird because aside from asking the devs or doing some serious testing, there's no way of knowing that.

I was a little frustrated because it's inconsistent with the internal logic of the game.

I could understand if the devs didn't want it to have the same effect on Keeper because then it's infinite money + effectively infinite health (especially with Blind Rage). I wouldn't agree, because Keeper has a lot of disadvantages, but I could understand.

But if that was the goal, then why do IV Bag and Swallowed Penny still work with Keeper? Both of those have the same effective effect.

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Phaper:

...and there's no indication of that in the game.

Wait, is there any indication about anything in this game? I mean, basic controls aside. x)

[Phaper]

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Originally posted by Phaper:

...and there's no indication of that in the game.

Wait, is there any indication about anything in this game? I mean, basic controls aside. x)

I was referring to an item that has a specific effect, having that effect change for one specific character.

I can't think of any other item that does that.

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Phaper:

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Wait, is there any indication about anything in this game? I mean, basic controls aside. x)

I was referring to an item that has a specific effect, having that effect change for one specific character.

I can't think of any other item that does that.

♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon maybe? It triggers at a full red heart for Eve only (half red heart for others). :P

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Phaper:

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Wait, is there any indication about anything in this game? I mean, basic controls aside. x)

I was referring to an item that has a specific effect, having that effect change for one specific character.

I can't think of any other item that does that.

But does it work for any character in Afterbirth 100% of the time? when I thought about it I kinda think the item itself was nerfed when Afterbirth came out

[Phaper]

Wiki says that Isaac gets 1-2 coins every time he takes damage.

Keeper is down to 0-1.


@Nazemac: That's a good parallel, but it's also Eve's selling point and her starting item.

Piggy Bank is a Shop/Treasure item that no character starts with.

I'm a little annoyed because Keeper's poorly designed enough as is, and this is one of the few items that gives him the ability to take multiple hits in a room.

[StopItGetSomeHelp]

Well if it can guarantee to drop 1-2 coins everytime you take damage, then where's the fun in that?Also it's way too op,as long as you can pick up the coins you dropped you're basically unkillable so it makes sense. It was only nerfed for keeper, but if you have wooden nickel as starting you don't have to depend on piggy bank that much

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Smile raffletrades.com:

Well if it can guarantee to drop 1-2 coins everytime you take damage, then where's the fun in that?Also it's way too op,as long as you can pick up the coins you dropped you're basically unkillable so it makes sense. It was only nerfed for keeper, but if you have wooden nickel as starting you don't have to depend on piggy bank that much

Thing is, swallowed penny isn't nerfed for the Keeper, it still drops 1 coins each time you get hit.
I can see, however, why piggy bank could be op. One coin is alright, you can still be hit before taking it if you're unlucky, but two coins? Far too easy to get your health back.

[Phaper]

I would disagree, since it depends what's happening in the room, and how close the pennies are to you and the enemies.

That aside, a chance of zero pennies makes it unreliable.

One common demoninator of some items considered to be bottom-tier is their unreliability.

It's also Keeper, the worst character in the game by any metric.

On a related note, I found out that Strength with Keeper doesn't give you a temporary HP for the room, you can can't use that to take two-heart Devil Deals.

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Phaper:

I would disagree, since it depends what's happening in the room, and how close the pennies are to you and the enemies.

That aside, a chance of zero pennies makes it unreliable.

One common demoninator of some items considered to be bottom-tier is their unreliability.

It's also Keeper, the worst character in the game by any metric.

On a related note, I found out that Strength with Keeper doesn't give you a temporary HP for the room, you can can't use that to take two-heart Devil Deals.

If you wanna to take a 2 heart devil deal you need to use it immediately after you pick up the devil deal but before he dies. It gives you a permanent hp up but only up to two

[Phaper]

So I'd need to pop the card while I'm holding the item in the air, and that would put me at one when I leave the room, if I take a two-heart deal as Keeper?