"Marbles" and "Huge Growth" achievements are impossible

[Galewin]

Alot of those achievements are way too much RNG based, but those ones just takes the cake.

You need to use 5 times in a run a gulp! pill and "one makes you larger" (you can also take anything that make you grow, I know). So the strategy could be, just reset unti lyou get a placebo, and get just a bit of luck until you get lucky right ?

Well, I played other an hour, and I got the perfect setup : placebo and acid baby. I just played and cleared everyroom carrefully, hoping i will get one those pill.

BUT

After an hour, I realised i only got the same few pills other and other, so guess what ? per run, you can only get 13 different pills type. So thanks game for wasting my time other it.

Seriously, there are almost 50 pills, so you tell me I have to reset until I get placebo, and have like 2% of chance to get the good item pool, or I need to get the right pill pool, and have the same pill to drop 5 times in a run ? How much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ luck do you need to have that happening ?

I'm not very salty in this game generally, but those new achievments are plain ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Unless you have strategies for this ones in particuliar, I don't see how you can casually obtain them, you really need to seek them actively, and that's not fun at all.

[RocketPotatoL62]

Use lazarus and reset until you have the desired pill. Alternatively, reset until you can find the desired pill in a sacrifice room. From here, clear every room and save all your bombs for mushrooms in the caves. Save all your money for pill and pill items in the shop.

There is definitely luck involved like in many of these bull crap achievements, but these are part of the more doable ones.

[Galewin]

My god, Lazarus might be th way to go, it's really smart.

So I'm curious, what would you say are the really BS ones ? Bozo and blanket are the ones most people complains about, but you can have those just by playing regulary.

[Benderew]

Originally posted by Sonic_RocketPotatoL62:

Use lazarus and reset until you have the desired pill. Alternatively, reset until you can find the desired pill in a sacrifice room. From here, clear every room and save all your bombs for mushrooms in the caves. Save all your money for pill and pill items in the shop.

There is definitely luck involved like in many of these bull crap achievements, but these are part of the more doable ones.

I cant believe i didnt think to use lazarus for this... I kept rerolling shops until little baggy showed up to get "one makes you larger" pills and finally got the huge growth achievement. I still need to do the marbles one though...

[Benderew]

Originally posted by Galewin:

My god, Lazarus might be th way to go, it's really smart.

So I'm curious, what would you say are the really BS ones ? Bozo and blanket are the ones most people complains about, but you can have those just by playing regulary.

In my opinion probably ones where you need to have two or three items such as "jumper cables" and "technology zero" since the game never seems to give me the items i need even if i reroll haha

[RocketPotatoL62]

Originally posted by Galewin:

My god, Lazarus might be th way to go, it's really smart.

So I'm curious, what would you say are the really BS ones ? Bozo and blanket are the ones most people complains about, but you can have those just by playing regulary.

Bozo and Flat stone.

Haemolacria isn't that bad because blood clot shows up in the womb's polyps, greed mode shops, and boss rooms.

Blanket basically consists of holding R and going into greed mode sacrifice rooms.

There is no secret method for Bozo, just play and hope for the best. It's definitely the worst one for veterans imo.

A close second would be flat stone since getting an extremely specific item 5 times with no special means of getting it is just ridiculous.

Edit: I forgot the one where you need 10 tear ups in one run. They could have just made it so the requirement was "break greed mode"

[Fracastador]

Originally posted by Sonic_RocketPotatoL62:

Originally posted by Galewin:

My god, Lazarus might be th way to go, it's really smart.

So I'm curious, what would you say are the really BS ones ? Bozo and blanket are the ones most people complains about, but you can have those just by playing regulary.

Bozo and Flat stone.

Haemolacria isn't that bad because blood clot shows up in the womb's polyps, greed mode shops, and boss rooms.

Blanket basically consists of holding R and going into greed mode sacrifice rooms.

There is no secret method for Bozo, just play and hope for the best. It's definitely the worst one for veterans imo.

A close second would be flat stone since getting an extremely specific item 5 times with no special means of getting it is just ridiculous.

Edit: I forgot the one where you need 10 tear ups in one run. They could have just made it so the requirement was "break greed mode"

I tried to do it without breaking it a couple of times and failed.

[Galewin]

Originally posted by Sonic_RocketPotatoL62:

Originally posted by Galewin:

My god, Lazarus might be th way to go, it's really smart.

So I'm curious, what would you say are the really BS ones ? Bozo and blanket are the ones most people complains about, but you can have those just by playing regulary.

Bozo and Flat stone.

Haemolacria isn't that bad because blood clot shows up in the womb's polyps, greed mode shops, and boss rooms.

Blanket basically consists of holding R and going into greed mode sacrifice rooms.

There is no secret method for Bozo, just play and hope for the best. It's definitely the worst one for veterans imo.

A close second would be flat stone since getting an extremely specific item 5 times with no special means of getting it is just ridiculous.

Edit: I forgot the one where you need 10 tear ups in one run. They could have just made it so the requirement was "break greed mode"

Well, since you need to play the forgotten in order to get all achievements, it's not taht bad IMO but I understand since there's really nothing to do.

Anyway, thanks for the lazarus tip and your input on these, I guess I'll play on greed and buy pills until I get them.

[Abby]

Originally posted by Sonic_RocketPotatoL62:

Edit: I forgot the one where you need 10 tear ups in one run. They could have just made it so the requirement was "break greed mode"

I can confirm that getting Tears Up from a Tears Up Pill will work for that one, as I got it after using a tears up pill (I think I had Little Baggy and PHD, so like 8 Tears Up pills dropped for me, in addition to the like 2 or 3 items I picked up that had Tears Up effects.)

[waterhorn]

They seems like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for you because you are just impatient. Just play and eventually you get them, why all of this rushing? Also got 10 tears up with few Vurps, Tears Up and Endless,Nameless, wasnt even that hard.

[Galewin]

Originally posted by waterhorn:

They seems like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for you because you are just impatient. Just play and eventually you get them, why all of this rushing? Also got 10 tears up with few Vurps, Tears Up and Endless,Nameless, wasnt even that hard.

I'm not impatient. I would if it was about thing like bozo or the beds, I know you can have them by just playing.

But what are the odds to have5 times the same pills in one run ? that's what is frustrating.

[Sleepy-Keyzer]

The achievements very much remind me of old school Isaac, though I wish some could be better designed.
Example, I feel like the Haemolacria achievement should be related to picking up Blood-related items instead of picking up Blood Clot 8 times

[waterhorn]

Originally posted by Galewin:

I'm not impatient. I would if it was about thing like bozo or the beds, I know you can have them by just playing.

But what are the odds to have5 times the same pills in one run ? that's what is frustrating.

Just play runs, pick up Little Baggy and Placebo if you see them, bomb Moms Dresser for pills and eventually you will get them. If you are restarting and grinding for those achievements you only ruining the experience for yourself and also thats what makes someone impatient. Yeah or find any pill on Blank Rune+ Jera run if you get that kind of run. Also I am sure you havent experienced true Rebirth and Super Meat Boy achievement. That could be grinding and luck based that this cant even compare. Got it with Blank Card Strategy which was not easy to do.

[Galewin]

Originally posted by waterhorn:

Originally posted by Galewin:

I'm not impatient. I would if it was about thing like bozo or the beds, I know you can have them by just playing.

But what are the odds to have5 times the same pills in one run ? that's what is frustrating.

Just play runs, pick up Little Baggy and Placebo if you see them, bomb Moms Dresser for pills and eventually you will get them. If you are restarting and grinding for those achievements you only ruining the experience for yourself and also thats what makes someone impatient. Yeah or find any pill on Blank Rune+ Jera run if you get that kind of run. Also I am sure you havent experienced true Rebirth and Super Meat Boy achievement. That could be grinding and luck based that this cant even compare. Got it with Blank Card Strategy which was not easy to do.

I got Placebo and as said, you can only get 13 different pills per run out of the 50 that exits, just playing casually, the odds to have a good run, find all the possible pills, and have them 5 different times is almost null. I'm not ruining anything, rerolling is part of the experience, this is just one step too far for me.

Edit : and BTW bragging about "I unlocked it the right way and you know nothing" is really low man.

[Fracastador]

Originally posted by Galewin:

Originally posted by waterhorn:

Just play runs, pick up Little Baggy and Placebo if you see them, bomb Moms Dresser for pills and eventually you will get them. If you are restarting and grinding for those achievements you only ruining the experience for yourself and also thats what makes someone impatient. Yeah or find any pill on Blank Rune+ Jera run if you get that kind of run. Also I am sure you havent experienced true Rebirth and Super Meat Boy achievement. That could be grinding and luck based that this cant even compare. Got it with Blank Card Strategy which was not easy to do.

I got Placebo and as said, you can only get 13 different pills per run out of the 50 that exits, just playing casually, the odds to have a good run, find all the possible pills, and have them 5 different times is almost null. I'm not ruining anything, rerolling is part of the experience, this is just one step too far for me.

Edit : and BTW bragging about "I unlocked it the right way and you know nothing" is really low man.

If you're doing a resource-scrounger run (basically, look everywhere you can), you can pick up quite a few pills, especially from red chests and dressers, and if you know the pill color you are looking for, you can check shops for them. Little baggy helps, and it can be found in either gold chests, stone chests, or the shop, making it a relatively common item encounter, since it turns all cards into pills. This also means sacks will pay out with pills sometimes.

If you get one of the pills you are looking for, don't eat it until you find a second in case you get the placebo. Getting 5 isn't as bad as you're making it sound. It won't happen every run, but it's far from impossible.

As for huge growth, large champions sometimes drop "one makes you larger" pills, even when it isn't in your normal 13 pill pool, making it much easier to find than others.

I personally have never chosen to use a gulp pill 5 times in a normal run, but I've definitely used it at least 3 times in a run, and probably encountered more copies of it when I wasn't carrying a trinket in those same ones. There are other pills I have absolutely used 5 times.

[Galewin]

Originally posted by Fracastador:

Originally posted by Galewin:

I got Placebo and as said, you can only get 13 different pills per run out of the 50 that exits, just playing casually, the odds to have a good run, find all the possible pills, and have them 5 different times is almost null. I'm not ruining anything, rerolling is part of the experience, this is just one step too far for me.

Edit : and BTW bragging about "I unlocked it the right way and you know nothing" is really low man.

If you're doing a resource-scrounger run (basically, look everywhere you can), you can pick up quite a few pills, especially from red chests, and if you know the pill color you are looking for, you can check shops for them. Little baggy helps, and it can be found in either gold chests, stone chests, or the shop, making it a relatively common item encounter, since it turns all cards into pills. This also means sacks will pay out with pills sometimes.

If you get one of the pills you are looking for, don't eat it until you find a second in case you get the placebo. Getting 5 isn't as bad as you're making it sound. It won't happen every run, but it's far from impossible.

As for huge growth, large champions sometimes drop "one makes you larger" pills, even when it isn't in your normal 13 pill pool, making it much easier to find than others.

I personally have never chosen to use a gulp pill 5 times in a normal run, but I've definitely used it at least 3 times in a run, and probably encountered more copies of it when I wasn't carrying a trinket in those same ones. There are other pills I have absolutely used 5 times.

I guess you're right, it's far from impossible. The thing is it's really frustrating because of the number of things you need. Fiirstly, you have to get the right pill pool (learned that the hard way). That alone is like 2% per pill, meaning for starters, only 30% of all your runs have the potential to unlock the achievement, period. And as if it's bad enough, there's no way to know beforehand if you should try. and taht not taking into account the fact that you need a good run with good items to survive, and to belucky enough to get the 5 pills out of the 13 possible or an item generating them.

I get the "play normally it will unlock" mentallity, I understand that and have no problem with other achievements if they're not to get on the same run like bozo, I know it will happen eventually. The thing is that now, on every run I do, i go paranoid, because i'm potentialy on a run that have the potential, so I plan everything around it, I just want to get those really hard and precise achievement out of the way so I can play all the other runs knowing I just need to play normally to finish it.