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Flat stone was bugged for a long time (item pool), but should've been fixed right now. Didn't find it too, but I've played like 3-4 runs after update only. Can be found in item rooms. Play as Cain in greed mode and restart until this item appears?
As for the ring, if the game just keep visiting secret room and the game will give it to you eventually.
That being said, you can speed up the process by forcing an item pedestal usinf a Judgement card, Present, Bumbo, Key Begger, Eden... um something and then rerolling.
D8 and D100 might give it to you if you pick at least one item from the secret room pool before using them again and again.
Also, consider using Diplopia or (if you're feeling lucky) Crooked Penny.
If you keep playing, the question is not if the game will give you those items but when.
So, good luck. ^-^
Thank you guys for your advices I will keep searching for the ring
Step 1: Get lots of money
Step 2: Get Moving Box in shop
Step 3: Buy as many active items as you can
Step 4: Use Moving Box to pack up all the items, including D6
Step 5: Recharge Moving Box
Step 6: Enter Secret Room (doesn't matter what's in it)
Step 7: Unpack Moving Box
Step 8: Collect D6 and use as much as possible until ring appears
This method, while requiring specific items, will allow you to force the Secret Room item pool even if the room didn't have an item to begin with. The more items you can collect with the Moving Box, the better. My secret room was just full of mushrooms, so I was very fortunate to have 40 coins, Steam Sale, a Restock Box, and a few batteries to get everything I needed.
As for the Flat Stone, you can get it with Cain in Greed mode by entering the treasure room to the right and resetting the game with 'R' until it shows up (could take awhile).
Smart idea, i will try it
The effects of the D4 remembers what item pool you took items from, and rerolls them accordingly. You can eventually obtain Dad's Ring provided you picked up secret room items.
This does not apply to Greed Mode though, Dad's Ring doesn't exist in any pool there. Even with Chaos.
I have about 50 tokens with eden, may be worth a try.
I know. That's why I will do resets with Isaac for the first secret room in normal game mode. Seems faster for me.