What's wrong with Lazarus?

[Byron]

So, I unlocked Lazarus, and he has the same stats as Isaac, but also an extra life. You also get bonus damage once you're dead. But is there something beyond that? Because there has to be something negative about him

[fushigi friend]

He has less luck and doesn't start with the D6.

[Byron]

Originally posted by A Spooky Person🎃:

He has less luck and doesn't start with the D6.

I don't know what the D6 is. I guess I haven't unlocked it yet. Thanks.

[Byron]

Originally posted by kittehoverlord:

He also has a blood creep trail when hit after you die once. The negatives are you need to die to get the bonus and then you respawn with one heart. There is also what A Spooky Person added I suppose.

Thanks.

[Plazy]

Lazarus is basically a worse Isaac with -1 luck, no D6 (An item that lets you reroll items you don't want into something else), has to kill himself to get his benefit and respawns with a single heart, and he starts with a random pill that has a chance of screwing you over a little.

[Byron]

Originally posted by Λ¢ק The Festiveneer:

Lazarus is basically a worse Isaac with -1 luck, no D6 (An item that lets you reroll items you don't want into something else), has to kill himself to get his benefit and respawns with a single heart, and he starts with a random pill that has a chance of screwing you over a little.

Can't you just restart if the pill isn't good? Or does that contribute to your Win Streak?

[CheddarExuberant]

Lazarus just isn't... interesting (in a fun way). Yeah, he has an extra life with increased damage, but it gives him one red heart and Anemic (which is a kind of crappy item in and of itself), plus it means you need to kill yourself to get all of that. Yeah, he starts with a pill, but it's basically Russian roulette. The -1 Luck doesn't help his case, either.

There have been times where I gave Lazarus a chance and it ended up being amazing, but other times, he's just.... meh.

[Luks]

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[Byron]

Originally posted by CustardAndPie:

Lazarus just isn't... interesting (in a fun way). Yeah, he has an extra life with increased damage, but it gives him one red heart and Anemic (which is a kind of crappy item in and of itself), plus it means you need to kill yourself to get all of that. Yeah, he starts with a pill, but it's basically Russian roulette. The -1 Luck doesn't help his case, either.

There have been times where I gave Lazarus a chance and it ended up being amazing, but other times, he's just.... meh.

Well, I never looked at the extra damage thing as an option. Since I'm still pretty new to the game [spoilertext](=I have no idea what I'm really doing and often die)[/spoiler] I always looked at it as a plan B in case I die, not a viable thing to do at the start of the game to give myself a boost.

Maybe if you find a sacrifice room at the start of the run and die to it, you'll probably get something out of it, and the extra damage? I just thought of that as I was writing the text.

[Black_Rat]

generally for laz i try to make it to the lvl 2 devil deal and spend my hearts on that, so at least i get a good/decent item before killing myself for his bonus'.

[Byron]

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

generally for laz i try to make it to the lvl 2 devil deal and spend my hearts on that, so at least i get a good/decent item before killing myself for his bonus'.

Items you hope you get in the deal?

[fushigi friend]

Originally posted by Aaromjt5:

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What a poetic and useful response.

[Black_Rat]

Originally posted by Byron:

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

generally for laz i try to make it to the lvl 2 devil deal and spend my hearts on that, so at least i get a good/decent item before killing myself for his bonus'.

Items you hope you get in the deal?

I go for:
most guppy items (because lets face it guppy xform op)
book of belial (if nothing else, its good for bosses)
satanic bible (heart generation)
dark bark bum
pentagram
mark

and most the 2 heart deals are worth it (imo) since you are (hopefully) dieing for the laz bonus after taking it


BTW If you take abaddon you wont die as it replaces your hearts with 6 dark hearts, and if you take and use judas' shadow you will be playing as judas so ending unlocks would count at judas. (any boss killed before transforming into judas still counts as a kill for the original character tmk)

[Azaldir]

Lazarus is like people said a kinda boring character to play, but a good strat for the earlygame of lazarus is to like someone said start the run, make it to 2nd floor and do what you can to get deal with the devil, take what you want if there is anything, die afterwards somehow if not from picking up stuff there, respawn and pop the pill, assuming you are on 1 red heart container at that point, with only 1 red heart container the pill can not be a health down pill, since with 1 redheart those pills become HP up, aswell as a bad trip becomes full health with 1 red heart and no spirit hearts. So other than say a tears down, speed down, range down, there's no risk of the pill royally screwing you over by killing you, just possibly dropping your stats, but you might also get a stat upgrade, who knows ^^ and yes, he also starts with poor luck-stat wich does increase the chances for the pill to be bad, but to be honest, that might work against itself in a way :p everyone knows that a health down pill is HORRIBLE, hence with bad luck you'd assume to get one relatively "easy", but sitting on 1 heart container would make that pill a health upper, so who knows, maybe the negative luck isn't nessesarily that bad in all situations ^^

[Byron]

Originally posted by Rudor:

Lazarus is like people said a kinda boring character to play, but a good strat for the earlygame of lazarus is to like someone said start the run, make it to 2nd floor and do what you can to get deal with the devil, take what you want if there is anything, die afterwards somehow if not from picking up stuff there, respawn and pop the pill, assuming you are on 1 red heart container at that point, with only 1 red heart container the pill can not be a health down pill, since with 1 redheart those pills become HP up, aswell as a bad trip becomes full health with 1 red heart and no spirit hearts. So other than say a tears down, speed down, range down, there's no risk of the pill royally screwing you over by killing you, just possibly dropping your stats, but you might also get a stat upgrade, who knows ^^ and yes, he also starts with poor luck-stat wich does increase the chances for the pill to be bad, but to be honest, that might work against itself in a way :p everyone knows that a health down pill is HORRIBLE, hence with bad luck you'd assume to get one relatively "easy", but sitting on 1 heart container would make that pill a health upper, so who knows, maybe the negative luck isn't nessesarily that bad in all situations ^^

Allright, thanks.

[Byron]

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

Originally posted by Byron:

Items you hope you get in the deal?

I go for:
most guppy items (because lets face it guppy xform op)
book of belial (if nothing else, its good for bosses)
satanic bible (heart generation)
dark bark bum
pentagram
mark

and most the 2 heart deals are worth it (imo) since you are (hopefully) dieing for the laz bonus after taking it


BTW If you take abaddon you wont die as it replaces your hearts with 6 dark hearts, and if you take and use judas' shadow you will be playing as judas so ending unlocks would count at judas. (any boss killed before transforming into judas still counts as a kill for the original character tmk)

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

Originally posted by Byron:

Items you hope you get in the deal?

I go for:
most guppy items (because lets face it guppy xform op)
book of belial (if nothing else, its good for bosses)
satanic bible (heart generation)
dark bark bum
pentagram
mark

and most the 2 heart deals are worth it (imo) since you are (hopefully) dieing for the laz bonus after taking it


BTW If you take abaddon you wont die as it replaces your hearts with 6 dark hearts, and if you take and use judas' shadow you will be playing as judas so ending unlocks would count at judas. (any boss killed before transforming into judas still counts as a kill for the original character tmk)

Ok.