which is better angel deals or devil deals?

[BirdNerd03]

I personly think angel

[Justice]

Angel deals are good if you're looking for Hp and defensive items like angel orbitals, The Soul, waffer, shield, circle of protection

[Phaper]

All things considered and under normal circumstances and win conditions, Devil Deals are better.

[SonicDen220]

Devil deals are better because damage is more important than defense most of the time. Angel room's rewards are so much worse. It's almost always either 2 eternal hearts or a room with 4 soul hearts behind keyhole blocks for me. Plus going for devil deals takes away your red hearts meaning that some items (Polaroid, Empty Vessel, WoB) will always have effect on you. I can't say anything good about angel deals. Some items in angel room pool are good, but don't expect to see any of them.

[BOYCOTT]

angel deals, sacred heart, the orbital that speeds up other orbitals, no need to trade heart containers for them, almost always a few soul hearts for extra bombs you might have in the room, mitre and the relic are pretty useful as well.

oh, let's not forget godhead is angel deal item pool as well, yeah, just the best item in the game.

comparatively maw of the void, abbadon, ceremonial robes, dark matter, dark bum and succubus are the always take items for me, the rest are either too speshul to be worth it a lot of the time (brimstone) unless you have a strength card or only worth it based on how many other guppy items you have.

[burn1none]

devil deals easily. most of the time angel deals are just a few soul hearts or some useless item

[JP]

Devil deals of course! They have better items and most of them are usefull, angel deals in the other hand, are more for defense and have a lot of bad items, or if you are lucky enough you can get some rare items, that make your run an easy win like sacred heart.

[BOYCOTT]

peoply only like devil deal more because you can potentially have one every floor imo, if angel deals were more frequent more people would see the angel items that are good more often.

[Mahasamatman]

Originally posted by ♦SonicDen220♦:

Devil deals are better because damage is more important than defense most of the time. Angel room's rewards are so much worse. It's almost always either 2 eternal hearts or a room with 4 soul hearts behind keyhole blocks for me. Plus going for devil deals takes away your red hearts meaning that some items (Polaroid, Empty Vessel, WoB) will always have effect on you. I can't say anything good about angel deals. Some items in angel room pool are good, but don't expect to see any of them.

I see items like Godhead, Mind, Dead Dove and Wafer all the time in the angel rooms.

[Mahasamatman]

Originally posted by Gigiopo:

Devil deals of course! They have better items and most of them are usefull, angel deals in the other hand, are more for defense and have a lot of bad items, or if you are lucky enough you can get some rare items, that make your run an easy win like sacred heart.

Devil deals have bad items too. Guppys hairball, Razor Blade, Brother Bobby, Sister Maggy, Necronomicon, We need to go deeper, Betrayal etc

[JP]

Originally posted by Natural Selection:

Originally posted by Gigiopo:

Devil deals of course! They have better items and most of them are usefull, angel deals in the other hand, are more for defense and have a lot of bad items, or if you are lucky enough you can get some rare items, that make your run an easy win like sacred heart.

Devil deals have bad items too. Guppys hairball, Razor Blade, Brother Bobby, Sister Maggy, Necronomicon, We need to go deeper, Betrayal etc

Yes that's true but there's less chances for bad items to appear at devil deals than at angel deals, probably because you can only get one item at angel deals, and at devil deals you can get 2 items most of the time.

[beautheschmo]

Devil deals for sure. Item for item, Devil Deals are already a little bit better on average (the spacebar items are all decent save Razor Blade, the Shovel and maybe Guppy's Paw compared to the 4 trash spacebar items in Angel Rooms) and while there are a few mediocre passives in there, none of them are quite as bad as something like Holy Water or Lazarus' Rags (or the Rosary imo, but that's probably a more contentious opinion) or as situational as Habit/Scapular. The good items are about on par between the two (except Brimstone destroys every other item in either pool imo), so the difference between them isn't that big, but I do think the average item is slightly in favor of Devil Deals.

On top of that, though, Devil Deals are FAR more likely to pay out with an item in the first place (I'd spitball that a Devil Room is nearly 3 times as likely to actually have an item in it compared to Angel Rooms, which love to have a handful of soul/eternal hearts and nothing else), and you can get up to 3 items at a time which gives you a far greater chance of getting one of the many good items in the pool.

I would be much more willing to break the pattern and shoot for Angel Rooms more often if they would actually be anywhere near as consistent with items as Devil Rooms, because there are some cool and fun items in there, but they just don't.

[BOYCOTT]

errrr... every angel room has one item if you want it, the key pieces, nice try though...

[Mahasamatman]

Originally posted by beautheschmo:

Devil deals for sure. Item for item, Devil Deals are already a little bit better on average (the spacebar items are all decent save Razor Blade, the Shovel and maybe Guppy's Paw compared to the 4 trash spacebar items in Angel Rooms) and while there are a few mediocre passives in there, none of them are quite as bad as something like Holy Water or Lazarus' Rags (or the Rosary imo, but that's probably a more contentious opinion) or as situational as Habit/Scapular. The good items are about on par between the two (except Brimstone destroys every other item in either pool imo), so the difference between them isn't that big, but I do think the average item is slightly in favor of Devil Deals.

On top of that, though, Devil Deals are FAR more likely to pay out with an item in the first place (I'd spitball that a Devil Room is nearly 3 times as likely to actually have an item in it compared to Angel Rooms, which love to have a handful of soul/eternal hearts and nothing else), and you can get up to 3 items at a time which gives you a far greater chance of getting one of the many good items in the pool.

I would be much more willing to break the pattern and shoot for Angel Rooms more often if they would actually be anywhere near as consistent with items as Devil Rooms, because there are some cool and fun items in there, but they just don't.

4 trash space bar items? What are they? I can only think of one space bar angel item

[beautheschmo]

Breath of Life
Dead Sea Scrolls
Prayer Card (not really trash, but if you are good enough to consistently get Angel Deals, you can probably make much better use of most other SB items)
The Bible

[burn1none]

Originally posted by Too-DAMN-Much:

errrr... every angel room has one item if you want it, the key pieces, nice try though...

you assume everyone only plays isaac, if you are playing as the lost 90% of the time the angel deals will be literally useless