How does Chaos work?

[mewomode]

Even tho it is supose to "choose from a random item pool instead of a predifined one" I keep getting breakfast in greeed mode even when I have 14 items... and they are not from any devil/angel pool

[Mooglethyst]

What you probably expect is that Chaos throws all the items together into one giant pool and then picks from that. Unintuitively, that isn't how it works -- instead, Chaos causes the game to first choose a random item pool, and then pick something from that. If the item pool it picks is empty (i.e. you've already seen all the items in it), you get Breakfast. The problem comes up because several item pools are really small (library, red chest, etc.) and get exhausted quickly when you have Chaos. So you end up with an abnormal amount of Breakfasts.

[Nazemec]

First, Chaos chooses a pool (randomly), then an item within that pool.
If the selected pool is already empty, it can still be chosen and will generate a Breakfast every time.
Seeing items can be enough to remove them from their current pools, taking one removes it from all pools.
Some pools are really, really small, and can be depleted really quickly (example: "greed secret" pool consists of only ONE item, the cube of meat).

Mix all those informations, add a bit of bad RNG, and boom. Quick breakfasts.

[mewomode]

Ohh I see, then I probably got the red chest Item pool, well thanks guys, now this makes a lot of sens!

[mewomode]

Originally posted by Mooglegirl:

What you probably expect is that Chaos throws all the items together into one giant pool and then picks from that. Unintuitively, that isn't how it works -- instead, Chaos causes the game to first choose a random item pool, and then pick something from that. If the item pool it picks is empty (i.e. you've already seen all the items in it), you get Breakfast. The problem comes up because several item pools are really small (library, red chest, etc.) and get exhausted quickly when you have Chaos. So you end up with an abnormal amount of Breakfasts.

I was certain that Chaos Threw all items into one item pool, than, is Chaos even worth it in Greed mode?

[Mooglethyst]

Absolutely. Honestly I think it's even better in Greed than in regular play, because you can get devil/angel items in the shop.

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

there IS a mod to exclude items replaced by breakfast in the drop table, might be worth it to you.

[mewomode]

Originally posted by Ov Åeons:

there IS a mod to exclude items replaced by breakfast in the drop table, might be worth it to you.

I try not to play with mods that makes the game too easy(or at least can), the only mods I use are reskin and the External item description

[Ov Å̪e̞oη̣s]

theeen you have no reason to complain about getting dozens of breakfast in a row :p the mod just cuts 20mins to an hour off of breaking the game anyways. no more breakfast only really works for something that already makes the game too easy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mewomode]

Originally posted by Ov Åeons:

theeen you have no reason to complain about getting dozens of breakfast in a row :p the mod just cuts 20mins to an hour off of breaking the game anyways. no more breakfast only really works for something that already makes the game too easy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I wasn't complaining in the first place, I was asking how Chaos worked.

:)

[jessiestaf]

For example, after taking chaos, I got Luna (a planetarium Item) as a post boss victory reward.

[mewomode]

Originally posted by jessiestaf:

For example, after taking chaos, I got Luna (a planetarium Item) as a post boss victory reward.

thanks bro coming in clutch 7 years later