Meaning of new character and ending (New end spoilers)

[CapnSquiggles]

So being that Isaac purposefully or accidentally commited suicide in the box and Apollyon represents the apocalypse/destroyer or place of destruction, what are people thinking here?

I see his ultimate death and wandering around purgatory kind of settling that the lost is 100% the true ending character. Is Apollyon then just a representattion of his ultimate destruction, neither good nor bad in his own eyes, in the box? Is the void then his life flashing before his eyes as he hyperventilates and asphyxiates(Hush being the point right before this new point) and fights against "Delerium" who changes shapes to all his memories?

Did Isaac run away to his old house and get locked in the chest there? Is this why his mom is searching for him but doesn't ultimately find him until he is skeletized? I mean, his chest in his room is full of polaroids and stuff but the one he dies in just has his dead cat which timeline wise seems to happen before Isaac moved in with his mother. It also looks like a mostly abandoned house that has been long left to decay before his mother returns and checks the box and I doubt she would have moved out of their current house without seeing and checking the box.
Thoughts?

[zverozvero]

Perhaps it symbolises faceing reality and acceptance. Apollyon destroys and devours illusions and then fights delirium. Fighting Mega Satan shows Isaac demonising himself and Lamb ending shows inner demons still haunting Isaac even after he killed his sinner-part. Perhaps after overcoming delirium he just decides to let go and die, thus he just walks away in his 'afterlife' grey world. Like 'when illusions fade away its all just simple and sad' or something.

[Dark Judas]

No, the lost is the voice of God. its confirmed in the game by a cutscene

[Rio]

He thought his mother was trying to kill him and that he's evil.

He climbed in a box, the lack of water caused delirium which got worse until he died of dehydration.

His mother tried to find him, put out posters. Found his body.

I don't really see much more to it than that.

[CapnSquiggles]

Originally posted by The Elusive Skank Foot:

No, the lost is the voice of God. its confirmed in the game by a cutscene

Evidence points to his mom never actually trying to kill him or being killed by him as she finds his body thoroughly decayed and the whole situation was drawn out by Isaac himself. The lost talking to her middle floor cutscene feels like something else. Plus every playable character is a version/stage of Isaac before and after death... Unless Isaac had a brother and its that brother that was aborted/stillborn AKA the second stage of Mom's Heart and thats the soul of his "lost" brother. Either way, god never told his mom to do anything as far as we know.
She could have been reacting to his drawings which took a dark turn after his sister's death.

[Dark Judas]

Maybe The Lost is Isaac's sister...

[zverozvero]

Voice of God is part of first story made up by Isaac when he puts blames on mother. After transitioning through killing her to breaking her heart and then aboring himself Lost might become representation of Isaacs desire to get his penance.

[CapnSquiggles]

Originally posted by zverozvero:

Voice of God is part of first story made up by Isaac when he puts blames on mother. After transitioning through killing her to breaking her heart and then aboring himself Lost might become representation of Isaacs desire to get his penance.

Could be, but the two most recent endings show him wandering a desolate gray landscape after his body is found which looks like a sort of purgatory to me.

[Jolly hoop]

...I see people all the time talking about the lore in this game and such but I have zero idea what they are talking about. There is next to no story in this game. Where do people derive the knowledge that Apollyon represents the apocalypse? Does the creator has a separate website for lore?

[CapnSquiggles]

Originally posted by Jolly hoop:

...I see people all the time talking about the lore in this game and such but I have zero idea what they are talking about. There is next to no story in this game. Where do people derive the knowledge that Apollyon represents the apocalypse? Does the creator has a separate website for lore?

There is a whole story in this game but its done subtle style by info given in the endings and progress. Go back and watch every ending in order. All of the playable characters represent a stage of sin and biblical reference of what Isaac is going through. He thinks he is evil and basically blames himself for his sister's death and father's leaving. Its basically a story of a kid dealing with abuse and external circumstances with the added confusion of being raised highly religious.

[zverozvero]

Originally posted by CapnSquiggles Prime:

Could be, but the two most recent endings show him wandering a desolate gray landscape after his body is found which looks like a sort of purgatory to me.

Thats true, although its hard to tell if they represent actuall afterlife in mystic sence or used to show his last predeath (after passing out) bits of subconcious. Perhaps both cause heres no practical ddifference here.
Its just that supernatural elements didnt appear/play role outside Isaacs dreams which with A+ can be called straight up delirious, and surroundings turned back to normal when he picked bits of sanity together in earlier cuts.

[Jolly hoop]

Originally posted by CapnSquiggles Prime:

Originally posted by Jolly hoop:

...I see people all the time talking about the lore in this game and such but I have zero idea what they are talking about. There is next to no story in this game. Where do people derive the knowledge that Apollyon represents the apocalypse? Does the creator has a separate website for lore?

There is a whole story in this game but its done subtle style by info given in the endings and progress. Go back and watch every ending in order. All of the playable characters represent a stage of sin and biblical reference of what Isaac is going through. He thinks he is evil and basically blames himself for his sister's death and father's leaving. Its basically a story of a kid dealing with abuse and external circumstances with the added confusion of being raised highly religious.

I see. That's a nice explanation. I'll look into that. It looks pretty reminescent of the kind of storytelling present in the Soul serie where you have to piece clues together yourself. Thanks.

[Archmage MC]

From what I can tell...

Issac lost his sister in some way shape or form. Maybe he killed her by accident, maybe his mom killed her, either way she died. Issac's dad soon left after that. Issac, being raised hard religious, blames himself for all this and feels hes a demon and should be sealed up to not harm anyone again. Seals himself in the box where his cat had died in either his old house or his new house and sat there until he died. His mom tried to find him and finally did when she saw all the flies over an old chest (Or it was his dad) and buried his body.
He might've also had a brother who died in utero?

[Flameingo]

These are my thoughts.

Lets take into cosiderations all the final bosses. Mom, Moms heart(It lives), Satan, Lamb, Isaac, ???, hush, and now Dalirum. (I dont think that mega satan or ultra greed really fit into any of this)

Isaac is obioulsly trying to pin the blame of all the negative things that have happend to him to onther things. His mother and her religous following was the easiest. However, then he might think thats its not his mother but the devil him self, then later whatever the lamb symbolizes. Then on the other side he blames himself thinking that if he defeats himself all the negativity will vanish. Then, he heads to the chest, slowly suffacating having to fight against agaist death.

Now the final two are the most interesting. I belive that hush is his battle with suffacation with in the chest and thats why everything is so blue. Following lack of oxygen he starts to fall into the void and slow go insane and thats the fight with Delirum and the void enetirely.

With all this said, the ending seem to follow this. Isaac's heavy beathing in the chest. His mother trying to look for him only to find him long dead in a chest. Lastly all the pictures that he drew.

Maybe theres more to be dug up but theres my two cents, take it or leave it.