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schindigg Jun 6, 2017 @ 9:04pm
Keeper is plain garbage....
maybe if they buffed him to be able to get more than two health, or make where a hit didn't take a whole "heart", or upped his fire rate. Something, anything.....

hes just garbage, im getting to where i almost prefer The Lost over The Keeper....
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Theblender2000 Jun 6, 2017 @ 9:09pm 
Wasnt the keeper meant to be a challange?
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schindigg Jun 6, 2017 @ 9:55pm 
Sure, but he's just no fun to play. The health system with him is (in a hank hill voice)"whack son"
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xPAINxKINGx Jun 7, 2017 @ 1:47am 
lol you're not wrong, but I find him fun because I know the secrets to abuse his powers. Tri shot is nice. but making his speed so low is just dumb, and not being able to do devil deals make the Keeper, kind of the same with his runs. The problem is All the stupid, enemies and rooms designed to objectively cause unavoidable damage. other chars can take it, but those broken bosses and rooms just kill characters with only 2 health.
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Tato Jun 7, 2017 @ 2:11am 
Originally posted by schindigg:
maybe if they buffed him to be able to get more than two health, or make where a hit didn't take a whole "heart", or upped his fire rate. Something, anything.....

hes just garbage, im getting to where i almost prefer The Lost over The Keeper....
Keeper can get more than 2 health, you can cheat the devil deals, and the triple shot is meant to be used in close quarters.
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Phaper Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:16am 
Originally posted by Dasky:
Originally posted by schindigg:
maybe if they buffed him to be able to get more than two health, or make where a hit didn't take a whole "heart", or upped his fire rate. Something, anything.....

hes just garbage, im getting to where i almost prefer The Lost over The Keeper....
Keeper can get more than 2 health, you can cheat the devil deals, and the triple shot is meant to be used in close quarters.

There's only one item that can break Keeper's health cap (Greed's Gullet), there's only two items that can make Devil Deals free (Credit Card and Diplopia, and Diplopia requires giving up Wooden Nickel), and why would you ever want to get in close quarters with Keeper.
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Tato Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by Phaper:
Originally posted by Dasky:
Keeper can get more than 2 health, you can cheat the devil deals, and the triple shot is meant to be used in close quarters.

There's only one item that can break Keeper's health cap (Greed's Gullet), there's only two items that can make Devil Deals free (Credit Card and Diplopia, and Diplopia requires giving up Wooden Nickel), and why would you ever want to get in close quarters with Keeper.
With cheating a devil deal, I meant using a Strength Card while grabbing the item.
You'd go in close quarters as Keepers for the reasons I've... given? Because else, he'll completely lack DPS.
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Phaper Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:40am 
Strength with Keeper isn't worth it.

You throw away your ability to get Angel Deals for one one-heart Deal? No. Only one-heart deal that would be worth it is 9 Lives, and you don't need to Strength for that.



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Tato Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:43am 
Originally posted by Phaper:
Strength with Keeper isn't worth it.

You throw away your ability to get Angel Deals for one one-heart Deal? No. Only one-heart deal that would be worth it is 9 Lives, and you don't need to Strength for that.
You can steal 2 heart deals if you spam the Strength Card while holding the item up, same for a health up pill. Devil Deals don't kill you during the item registration phase and pickups are still usable in that timeframe.
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Phaper Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:46am 
I forgot about that.

Still likely not worth it, because you'd need another waiting HP upgrade, and you're still throwing away your ability to get Angel Deals for the rest of the run.
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Tato Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:50am 
Originally posted by Phaper:
I forgot about that.

Still likely not worth it, because you'd need another waiting HP upgrade, and you're still throwing away your ability to get Angel Deals for the rest of the run.
Swallowed Penny and Sacrifice Rooms, there are your angel deals :csdsmile:
SP is so common, it's practically a must-have for Keeper.
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Phaper Jun 7, 2017 @ 4:54am 
So if you randomly manage to get a specific trinket, and you manage to spawn a Sacrifice Room, you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting an Angel Room.

That's incredibly disingenious.
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