what's the point of this room?

[Icedfate]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=867143239

I mean, the screenshot says it.
There was a sack in the room which I'm not complaining about.

but why is there a reroll machine with nothing to reroll? What were they thinking?

[zverozvero]

Put it wrong, my bad. Make them reroll i wanted to say. Only Shop/Market spawns new shop. Secre and treasury rerolls unpicked items.

[Spicybullfrog]

Originally posted by windowlicker:

at least it's not as pointless as the super secret poop room

I'd bet that room was added in to offset all of the "good" outcomes that got added with it.

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by ѕριcувυllfrog:

ROOMS MAY YIELD MORE THAN YOU EXPECT.
EXPERIMENTATION IS KEY

but seriously, if you get something like a temperance card or a beggar this room can be INCREDIBLE. in fact, on today's daily, (blue baby) you can use the temperance on that room and give health to A: fully upgrade bumbo, B: get lost contacts

I dunno what game you are playing but I played today's daily and took 0 damage in the first 2 floors, never found a bomb, I thought I missed the room, then found it by accident on floor 3.

I literally took no damage the entire run up to that point and only had 5 1/2 hearts when I got there and based on your post, I saved my temperance card and used it in there and played all but a half heart into the machine and it never made a pedestal item for me.

even if I could have found shielded tears, that item is ♥♥♥♥ if you only have 10 tears rate, its more like giving your enemies shielded tears.

I then had to fight big horn, and then on the next floor 2 rooms with green harfers and that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ room with the narrow ledge in the middle and 5 bomb flies with only half a heart before my relic paid out and I was able to build back up.



todays daily was a ♥♥♥♥ daily anyway, the only dps upgrade in the entire run was fear shot in a devil deal, even though I found the goat head early on, every devil deal was ♥♥♥♥♥♥. rotten baby carried me through the whole run. (I found brimstone baby later but because I had too many familiars what with the relic, the little chest, it put him so far behind me I couldn't use him effectively)

it took me 40 minutes to get to mom, 50 minutes to reach the heart, I saved the mom bomb for womb 2 and got to fight hush... with 10 tears rate and 5.19 samage, the fight took 20 minutes and I started with 12 hearts ended with 2 hearts. the void room opened and I'm like, yeah right, even if it wasn't bugged to prevent access, I would not attempt to fight delirium with 2 hearts and 5.19 damage rating.

I took the remote control on hush floor and went to sheol, used the remote control and. . . it morphed me into The Lost! and took away my brimstone baby, I still managed to clear half the sheol floor and used remote control 2 more times and it doesn't do anything, it just takes away your items and turns you into someone else, what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ item.

an hour and a half run, only to die and get to 1800th place on the leaderboard. . .

p.s. I'm not sure if I said ♥♥♥♥ enough so I just said it again.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by ѕριcувυllfrog:

ROOMS MAY YIELD MORE THAN YOU EXPECT.
EXPERIMENTATION IS KEY

but seriously, if you get something like a temperance card or a beggar this room can be INCREDIBLE. in fact, on today's daily, (blue baby) you can use the temperance on that room and give health to A: fully upgrade bumbo, B: get lost contacts

Just another reason to pass on dailies, because We Need To Go Deeper is in the Secret Room pool.

Another entirely RNG way to possibly score much higher and spoiled dailies are no fun.

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

I just made a thread about this a week ago

[Rio]

"Just another reason to pass on dailies, because We Need To Go Deeper is in the Secret Room pool."

Yeah....I can agree with you on that. Dailies are more and more about "Did you watch someone else play it first so you know all the seams?"

Idk why they don't let you run them again and post score because all the BS seam stuff.


Shovel is one item slowly making its way into my most hated issac items list solely due to dailies.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Sashie:

Shovel is one item slowly making its way into my most hated issac items list solely due to dailies.

Here's something that happened recently on a daily: Got Rune Bag and thought "yay, seam".
Rune Bag pays out with Ehwaz once. Ehwaz opens crawlspace to Black Market. Black Markets on final floors have no trapdoor. Others had Run Bag paying out with several Ehwaz w/o crawlspaces. Jellypuff angry.

Even withouth worrying about a way to go to floors beyond Mom/Heart, if you wanna score high, you gotta grind out shops for a Blank Card. Almost every daily since AB+, that i've participated in, had some form of gamebreaking combo for over 17k schwag bonus.

Re-rolls on shops made that a hell of a lot easier.

[Mecha»]

There are seven ways to create pedestials:

Pandora's Box
Suicide King card
Beggars (Judgement)
Blood Donation Machines (Temperance)
Slot Machines (Wheel of Fortune)
Bag Lunch trinket
Wishbone trinket

Blood Donation Machines can spawn IV Bag / Blood Bag.
Slot Machines can spawn a Dollar.
Bag Lunch trinket may spawn the Lunch item when taking damage.
Wishbone has a very small chance to spawn a pedestial when taking damage.

Most time you will never get to use the Restock Machine in the room. Once all planets are aligned in a blue moon occuring on Friday the 13th, you may get to use it.

[ChickenWecWicken]

The super secret room with the black poop is even more useless

[Spicybullfrog]

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

Originally posted by ѕριcувυllfrog:

ROOMS MAY YIELD MORE THAN YOU EXPECT.
EXPERIMENTATION IS KEY

but seriously, if you get something like a temperance card or a beggar this room can be INCREDIBLE. in fact, on today's daily, (blue baby) you can use the temperance on that room and give health to A: fully upgrade bumbo, B: get lost contacts

I dunno what game you are playing but I played today's daily and took 0 damage in the first 2 floors, never found a bomb, I thought I missed the room, then found it by accident on floor 3.

I literally took no damage the entire run up to that point and only had 5 1/2 hearts when I got there and based on your post, I saved my temperance card and used it in there and played all but a half heart into the machine and it never made a pedestal item for me.

even if I could have found shielded tears, that item is ♥♥♥♥ if you only have 10 tears rate, its more like giving your enemies shielded tears.

I then had to fight big horn, and then on the next floor 2 rooms with green harfers and that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ room with the narrow ledge in the middle and 5 bomb flies with only half a heart before my relic paid out and I was able to build back up.



todays daily was a ♥♥♥♥ daily anyway, the only dps upgrade in the entire run was fear shot in a devil deal, even though I found the goat head early on, every devil deal was ♥♥♥♥♥♥. rotten baby carried me through the whole run. (I found brimstone baby later but because I had too many familiars what with the relic, the little chest, it put him so far behind me I couldn't use him effectively)

it took me 40 minutes to get to mom, 50 minutes to reach the heart, I saved the mom bomb for womb 2 and got to fight hush... with 10 tears rate and 5.19 samage, the fight took 20 minutes and I started with 12 hearts ended with 2 hearts. the void room opened and I'm like, yeah right, even if it wasn't bugged to prevent access, I would not attempt to fight delirium with 2 hearts and 5.19 damage rating.

I took the remote control on hush floor and went to sheol, used the remote control and. . . it morphed me into The Lost! and took away my brimstone baby, I still managed to clear half the sheol floor and used remote control 2 more times and it doesn't do anything, it just takes away your items and turns you into someone else, what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ item.

an hour and a half run, only to die and get to 1800th place on the leaderboard. . .

p.s. I'm not sure if I said ♥♥♥♥ enough so I just said it again.

hahahaha, i got 724th place on the leaderboard, did you take any devil deals?
(because i played angel deals with both key pieces and the 3rd floor rosary bead)
also there was incubus on the run you silly noodle

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by ѕριcувυllfrog:

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

I dunno what game you are playing but I played today's daily and took 0 damage in the first 2 floors, never found a bomb, I thought I missed the room, then found it by accident on floor 3.

I literally took no damage the entire run up to that point and only had 5 1/2 hearts when I got there and based on your post, I saved my temperance card and used it in there and played all but a half heart into the machine and it never made a pedestal item for me.

even if I could have found shielded tears, that item is ♥♥♥♥ if you only have 10 tears rate, its more like giving your enemies shielded tears.

I then had to fight big horn, and then on the next floor 2 rooms with green harfers and that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ room with the narrow ledge in the middle and 5 bomb flies with only half a heart before my relic paid out and I was able to build back up.



todays daily was a ♥♥♥♥ daily anyway, the only dps upgrade in the entire run was fear shot in a devil deal, even though I found the goat head early on, every devil deal was ♥♥♥♥♥♥. rotten baby carried me through the whole run. (I found brimstone baby later but because I had too many familiars what with the relic, the little chest, it put him so far behind me I couldn't use him effectively)

it took me 40 minutes to get to mom, 50 minutes to reach the heart, I saved the mom bomb for womb 2 and got to fight hush... with 10 tears rate and 5.19 samage, the fight took 20 minutes and I started with 12 hearts ended with 2 hearts. the void room opened and I'm like, yeah right, even if it wasn't bugged to prevent access, I would not attempt to fight delirium with 2 hearts and 5.19 damage rating.

I took the remote control on hush floor and went to sheol, used the remote control and. . . it morphed me into The Lost! and took away my brimstone baby, I still managed to clear half the sheol floor and used remote control 2 more times and it doesn't do anything, it just takes away your items and turns you into someone else, what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ item.

an hour and a half run, only to die and get to 1800th place on the leaderboard. . .

p.s. I'm not sure if I said ♥♥♥♥ enough so I just said it again.

hahahaha, i got 724th place on the leaderboard, did you take any devil deals?
(because i played angel deals with both key pieces and the 3rd floor rosary bead)
also there was incubus on the run you silly noodle

the incubus you got was probably from cambion conception, which I got really late in the run because I barely took damage until the awful hush fight that totally wrecked me.

and yes, I was taking devil deals and there weren't any good ones besides the fear shot which was the only dps upgrade in the entire run.

I used the remote control 3 times before realizing that it takes away one of your items whenever you use it.
wtf were they thinking with the remote control, that's the stupidest retarded item ever.
the only use I can think of for it is if you need an unlock with a specific character, you can start a run as a better character, then hope that by some rng you find remote control, then hope that by the grace of RNGesus that the remote turns you into the character you want, and then hope that by rng that it doesn't take away an essential item.
what is the point of the remote control?


another stupid item is the equality trinket. it only works if you have an equal amount of all 3 items bombs, coins and keys. so if you want it to work, you have to have exactly the right amount, so you most likely will have to leave things behind to maintain the "equality" and the effect is that it has a chance to make consumables drop as their doubled versions, but then if you pick them up, you won't be equal anymore and it will stop working anyway.
so stupid

[Spicybullfrog]

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

Originally posted by ѕριcувυllfrog:

hahahaha, i got 724th place on the leaderboard, did you take any devil deals?
(because i played angel deals with both key pieces and the 3rd floor rosary bead)
also there was incubus on the run you silly noodle

the incubus you got was probably from cambion conception, which I got really late in the run because I barely took damage until the awful hush fight that totally wrecked me.

and yes, I was taking devil deals and there weren't any good ones besides the fear shot which was the only dps upgrade in the entire run.

I used the remote control 3 times before realizing that it takes away one of your items whenever you use it.
wtf were they thinking with the remote control, that's the stupidest retarded item ever.
the only use I can think of for it is if you need an unlock with a specific character, you can start a run as a better character, then hope that by some rng you find remote control, then hope that by the grace of RNGesus that the remote turns you into the character you want, and then hope that by rng that it doesn't take away an essential item.
what is the point of the remote control?


another stupid item is the equality trinket. it only works if you have an equal amount of all 3 items bombs, coins and keys. so if you want it to work, you have to have exactly the right amount, so you most likely will have to leave things behind to maintain the "equality" and the effect is that it has a chance to make consumables drop as their doubled versions, but then if you pick them up, you won't be equal anymore and it will stop working anyway.
so stupid

yea, i took angel deals so whenever i took enough damage i got a demon familiar AND an angel familiar.
equality is a bit interesting because it rewards leaving trinkets on the ground so you can keep them equal, but i wouldn't know because i've never found it early enough to use it.

[Rio]

"equality is a bit interesting because it rewards leaving trinkets on the ground so you can keep them equal, but i wouldn't know because i've never found it early enough to use it."

MZQL PMCA pick eden, hard mode. There ya go. You start with equality.

[Spicybullfrog]

Originally posted by Sashie:

"equality is a bit interesting because it rewards leaving trinkets on the ground so you can keep them equal, but i wouldn't know because i've never found it early enough to use it."

MZQL PMCA pick eden, hard mode. There ya go. You start with equality.

*leaving pickups on the ground

anyways, it seems like if you can keep your pickups equal just ONCE, you can walk around doubling everything on the floor, and even when you pick up something that inbalances the equality, the 1+1=free pickups still don't go away.

[unknown soldier]

I knwo im late to the party but heres some visuals to back up the use of this room.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=857231765

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=857231836

Very easy to get a judgement card to make use of these rooms, i just got lucky and had blank card too!