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Yes, there's some good items (Halo, Sacred Heart, Holy Mantle, Holy Light, Godhead, Crown of Light, Censer, Habit, and Circle of Protection), but that's only 9 items, and the pool is 32 total items.
That's roughly a 28% chance of getting something good, which doesn't sound bad...until you realize that there's quite a few more 'good' items in the Devil Deals, and you can get multiple items in a single Devil Deal.
It's also harder to force Angel Rooms, so you'd be lucky to get even a couple throughout a Keeper run.
The other thing is that the odds to get items are WAY better in Devil Rooms. Angel Rooms hardly ever have items. You'll be lucky to get two in a run. Devil Deals not only have much better odds for items, they often have two or three - sometimes five! - items to choose from. I have exactly zero motivation to go for Angel Rooms, unless I have to fight Mega Satan.
It would also be nice if you could get two items in an Angel Room sometimes. Even if it was just an item option, not two free items. Maybe even three options sometimes? If they did that, and upped the odds to find items in the first place, I'd actually want to get Angel Rooms.
yeah, because i need three chests containing i'm excited, some other worthless pill and the others having spiders or troll bombs so much? [/sarcasm]
either you read the post you quoted, or you didn't.
also, libra is literally the best item as the keeper, you go from ♥♥♥♥ garbage to actually viable character in one single passive.
as the rest of the characters, it's probably a run ruiner.
Okay, there's Libra, but there's also Dead Cat. It rips your health down to 1, every time you die. For any other character, it's hardly ever worth it. For Lost, that's 9 free lives, which is basically a guarinteed win.
That said, Libra is pretty rare. Dead Cat is pretty common. And that said, they're both just one item out of 400+. Car Battery is great for Lilith, but it sucks for Isaac. Many items are better for one character than another. Overall however, as I noted earlier, Lost has all kinds of advantages, but Keeper hasn't got much.
Every angel room has an item, if you can reroll the key piece.
Dead cat is almost always worth it, because there are several benefits to relying on soul hearts and playing on 0 or 1 red heart and if you got only one red heart it costs nothing. Also it counts towards the Guppy transformation.
Libra is a nice starting item for most characters, because it will makes every range up a small damage up, making a lot of boss items more useful. Also it gives you keys, bombs and coins.
And Chocolate Milk as well as Tech X (and God Head of course) are better for Keeper tbh.
Well, yeah... If you're Isaac, or happen to find the super rare D6. Devil Rooms have deals for everyone... Except ???, because losing 3 heath with him usually sucks.
And you're right that Dead Cat is better than I give it credit for, but with most characters it's only potentially useful sometimes. (bringing this back to the subject) With Lost, it's pure gold. Lost never has a reason not to take Dead Cat... for free.
Pethro, Dice Shard, D100, D infinity and Cracked Dice are also options. You can also collect the item and use Crooked Penn/Diplopia on the pedestal. And Crooked Penny doesn't seem to be rare yet for some reason.
I get use out of dead cat most times. When I have at least 2 soul heart I will take it. The one heart thing can ruin some builds but playing with one heart is much better as long as you have soul hearts.
Btw did you now, that you can pick up soul and black hearts while isaac holds an item up? If you got soul hearts in the devil room, you can sacrifice all your health and won't die, if you pick up the soul hearts. Pretty useful for ???.
there's also the holy trinity of garbage as far devil deals, betrayal, athame and a red chest containing garbage, nothing worth taking there, athame if you already have maw of the void good luck and want to lose red heart containers though.
that deal shows up far too often, at least for me, it's like, oh ♥♥♥♥ you too game.
Your claim was based on 'sometimes being able to take a single one-heart deal'. That's well below the deal-taking ability of every other character.
Libra is generally a good item. Comes with 6 or more consumables of each type, and turns all stat ups into 'all stat ups'.
Perthro and Dice Shard are just one-offs and D100, D infinity, and Cracked Dice are all gambles. D6 is the only reliable one. Etc., etc., certain item, Gnawed Leaf, etc...
This isn't about items this is about the characters themselves. Starting items matter. Everything else is RNG. Also staring abilites... like free f***in Devil Deals! And flight with spectral tears. And the freakin Mantle! It's Lost all the way.
the point being made, for the totally retarded out there, was that the ability to take a deal as the keeper seems lower than it actually is.