Too slow for boss rush/hush, any tips or cheats?

[BenWah]

I can't progress further in this game cause i'm too slow for boss rush and hush.
I got boss rush once by some crazy luck.
Is there some tip or cheat you have for me?

[Yes]

skipping treasure rooms and everything would make you faster

[mudkipslike [G.M]]

Originally posted by Syobdaed:

skipping treasure rooms and everything would make you faster

Expect they wouldn't be strong enough to do boss rush/hush.
Just try to not full clear everyfloor and just rush it if you can.

[Yes]

Originally posted by mudkipslike:

Originally posted by Syobdaed:

skipping treasure rooms and everything would make you faster

Expect they wouldn't be strong enough to do boss rush/hush.
Just try to not full clear everyfloor and just rush it if you can.

Ofc they would be strong enough. Ever heard of dodging and patience?

[mudkipslike [G.M]]

Originally posted by Syobdaed:

Originally posted by mudkipslike:

Expect they wouldn't be strong enough to do boss rush/hush.
Just try to not full clear everyfloor and just rush it if you can.

Ofc they would be strong enough. Ever heard of dodging and patience?

Of course I have I had to get the don't get hit achivements somehow.

Anyhow back on topic, getting devil deal items can help in the long run, also start on normal until you can take no damage on any given floor.

[josh]

Getting to the boss rush room is all about the early items you get. Sometimes, you just can't get there in time. If you get decent items on the first floor or two, then just focus on finding the item room and the boss room. Don't worry about clearing out the entire floor. Heck, you can skip the shop unless you really need something (like soul hearts for your devil deals, or maybe BFF or such).

It'll also get easier the more you play. Really, you just need a bit of luck, the right mindset, and some practice.

[Steven of Astora]

Holding R for some sort of damage item is good. While doing this always check cursed rooms in case you get teleported to the devil deal. Prioritize item rooms early and start ignoring other things once you start hitting depths. Completely ignoring item rooms is horrible unless you get some really nice devil deals. No items = no clear speed for rooms. Keep an eye out for any sort of good mapping item that way you know where the boss/item rooms spawns might be.

In general its easier to just do boss rush and hush on seperate runs. Boss rush you really have to keep a consistent pace. Where hush you can take a little bit more time and rush once you start hitting the womb.

[Garfelf]

Try to get a seed next to the item room. Though it can get a little tedious, it'll pay off in the end. Anything speed related would help, incase you have to backtrack for something. As stated before, damage is good, as it makes the first four floors much easier. Devil rooms might be a safer, and consistent, bet, but angel rooms can have some OP items.

Originally posted by Steven of Astora:

In general its easier to just do boss rush and hush on seperate runs.

I'll second that. The boss rush can be time consuming, unless you have a super good run. Hush isn't that hard to get to, as you've got an extra ten minutes for two floors. However, Hush is a somewhat difficult boss, so be warned.

[Rio]

If you have AB+ Mama mega can open the boss rush/hush door. No matter how late you are.

If ur gud at not geting hit. Try to get first floor curse of the xtra large via holding R. The two treasure rooms if good can help you beat both bosses fast. If you get a slow time, restart the first floor, if you miss the devil deal, restart the floor.

[BeaBurd]

Just do your best to land your tears, clear rooms fast, get to key objectives (like item rooms), and learn to ignore what you don't need to do (like exploring random rooms).

If you feel you're doing that already, but still come significantly short, just practice. Barring runs that are less than spectacular, it should be conceivable to do boss rush in most runs (especially if focused on it).

[Batabii • Suikoden I&II HD]

Immediately find treasure rooms.
Ignore shops unless you have 15+ coins
Ignore fire and poops
Get lucky and have an item that quickly clears rooms like brimstone
If you get 25+ bombs, start blasting through doors if you don't think you can beat the room in 5 seconds.
Try to get the map or compass, they will help IMMENSELY. Also any kind of flight.

Boss Rush is actually harder than Blue Womb due to strict time limits. It might help to hold the map button until the timer stays on the screen.

[Rio]

Originally posted by BenWah:

I think part of the problem is that I have been playing on hard.
The other part of the problem is that I'm probably just not good enough at this game despite having spent hundreds of hours.
I can't finish greedier mode on any char yet

Hold R until you get a great start item. Isaac starts with a bomb that can blow up the shop keepers for up to 2 nickels, but usually spiders or nothing. Cain gets a free key at start so you can hold R to get two good start items, he can also open golden chests free. Maggy try to hold R a good start item, but also check the shop as demon beggers are common and she has the hp to get a payout.

"Wait what" looks like butter bean, but its infinite bombs basically for reroll machines, blowing up shop keepers, finding secret rooms. Each greedier mode floor usually has a secret room except the ultra greed floor. On the shop floor the secret room may be in the main area even.

D20 can break greed mode and is a fairly common item there.

Greedier devil deals may not be worth taking as its often black hearts or 2 runes.

If you hit the devil deal wave button and can't handle what spawns like 6x sister vis, quit run and continue and it'll be like you never pressed the devil deal button and just leave.

[Blargo]

If you're going for boss rush, then don't full-clear every floor. Focus on finding the item room and the boss room. You could go into shops if you happen to come across them, but if not, then don't bother looking. Secret rooms should just be ignored unless you are 100% certain where they are.
Also, don't waste time on things like shooting fire, shooting poop, playing donation machines, etc..

For Hush, you can usually afford to full-clear every floor up to the Womb. Once you reach the Womb however, just try to find the boss room and get to the next floor as fast as possible.
Like before, don't bother wasting time with donation machines, but in my experience I can usually afford to spend time shooting out fires and poops.

[Steven of Astora]

Originally posted by BenWah:

I think part of the problem is that I have been playing on hard.
The other part of the problem is that I'm probably just not good enough at this game despite having spent hundreds of hours.
I can't finish greedier mode on any char yet

Greedier mode is pretty imbalanced. I've done everything in the game and I still have problems with it myself. Key is just getting a really good start to deal with some of the ridiulous waves. Save money on items that will really help and ignore mediocre ones. Focus on getting as tanky as possible. I often buy health ups if I have extra money and anything that gives HP and other stats are great.

Holding R for a good item in both greedier and boss rush runs are both a good idea. Anything that gives decent DPS up. The thing thats going to save the most time is just having good damage and clearing rooms quickly. Try really hard to stack soul hearts and get those devil deals. You don't need to go super fast to make it to boss rush. You just need to get to your items rooms and ignore everything else unless its along the way.

[Yes]

Originally posted by BenWah:

Thanks for the tips everyone. Somehow I got a miracle build and beat hush.
The stopwatch activated on the fight, I don't think I could have won on my first attempt if everything wasn't moving so slowly.

Grats, The stopwatch or the broken watch is a great item for any run. If you have the time, Always aim to get it.

[Rio]

Originally posted by Syobdaed:

Originally posted by BenWah:

Thanks for the tips everyone. Somehow I got a miracle build and beat hush.
The stopwatch activated on the fight, I don't think I could have won on my first attempt if everything wasn't moving so slowly.

Grats, The stopwatch or the broken watch is a great item for any run. If you have the time, Always aim to get it.

Broken watch can burn you if you get a sped up awful room or boss fight.