Operations PvE only mode.

[Kosm1cznY]

Would be cool to have extra mode to be PvE only.

AI is capable in this game to provide fun.
If there would be also optional tweaks to AI like how often they talk, move, run, patrol etc. Their initial aim, burst frequency/accuracy/spread, auto fire percentage etc. this would make awesome fun for people that do not want to participate in PvE for millions of reasons.

If DEV want instead force everybody to PvP then for sure I am out (also if no mag system is implemented like in ABI and EFT). But was fun to test this game for free especially to see how good game development is made in terms of performance.

I was pretty surprised to play PvE mode against 60+ AI bots with graphisc set by default to ULTRA (prefere more to reduce most to high, still nice graphics less rare drops below 60 FPS) where I only disabled DLSS, upscaling and still get solid, stable 60 FPS on my aged gaming PC where damn BSG cannot make proper game, where their EFT is damn stutter mess in PvE against more than 6 AI in SPT or on AI numbers on low setting in training mode in official game. especially on damn streets map on top of pathetic washed out graphics where scene contrast is like picture on 1000 times washed T-shirt. No proper loghting etc.

BSG you suck so badly and such games as ABI and DF shows that BSG is nothing more but money grab and dev skill failure (cheap labor??)

BSG finally swapped to slightly younger UNITY 2022 in patch 0.16 slightly renewed engine... But it seem another of their scap! Nothing changed! Not visually even a bit! And the worst part that performance is trash as it was before!!! Seriously it seem that they lied to people that they now use 2022. What a pile of liars!

Many normal dev teams are able to swap game engines pretty fast as history shows. Even some 1 team dev team are able to swap from one engine to another engine (example "Road To Rostock") with not to much sweat. But BSG is special... Different... No they are just bunch of scam artists!

But ok this is offtopic a bit. Anyway I am hugely impressed by DF game performance. It would be cool to chill in single player mode in Exfil Operations.

But this to happen, lots of people would needed to ask for such mode as for this game dev team is not interested to add this mode, but at least anybody can have fun in warfare mode against AI but not to much as sadly this mode gets boring. Still good to get familliar with gameplay, test loadouts etc.

One thing also I would like to have more believable gameplay mode for character movement as by default there is zero logic in character movement. It is like controlling 1 Kg sheel that looks like human. Recoil system is also very bad. Would be cool to have mod for this but I doubt it will be possible as this game is always online requirement. But custom mode for PvE with some sliders in game for recoil multiplier, bullet spread etc would be great. To many people have different taste so it is impossible to fit them all. So tweaking options for PvE mode would be the best way to please almost everybody.
Those who like Warfare and basic Operations would have their fun still but if there would be PvE + slider options to tweak gameplay experience that would be just a blast to have.

Othervise many players in near future will move on (me included) as by default gameplay mechanics are not my cup of tea.

Will such message, strong enoughto reach DEV team of this game, be possible? Well we need more voices then they will hear us for sure.

[vidmich]

Sorry for bringing old topic again, but I think this topic is too important to allow it to be buried.

The description of DF operations as PvEvP is incorrect, basically a lie. the E portion is so lacking that it is actually PvP mode, and no PvE oriented player will be happy with it.

Cod DMZ is also PvP and actually even more PvP than DF operations because of bottlenecks in extraction points.

Companies doesn't want to make PvE extractions not because it can't be fun or engaging, but because of 2 reasons:

1) it is harder. much harder, to do an interesting and challenging PvE game than to make a PvP one. you need to think about initial engaging to avoid overcomplicate stuff, about keep being challenging later, about variations to make it fresh etc.

It is much easier to do PvP and hope that players pleasure themselves. If you see word "sandbox" in the game description you know for sure that game has very little content.

2) PvE games will bored player eventually. for single player games this is normal. but if company want to grind the players for money in live service game than this mean a lot of variations, events, quests packs etc needed to keep players interested. PvP games is much better suited for live service games which is so popular with game dev bosses right now.

btw I absolutely agree with person here who said that if PvE operations would be made it should be separate from PvP operations to avoid unfairness for PvP only players. I totally agree with this. I think it could be separate, or for example allow migration from PvP to PvE, but not the other way.

and for all the people who think that it is impossible to make such game, or that there are no players wanting this just imaging some good PvE games you know with some added elements of extraction shooter.

for example:
Division 2 where you have EFT or DF:O gear system and can loot much more than just cosmetic items, weapons, ammo and food crap
Ghost Recon Breakpoint with EFT gear system (and less robots)
Stalker 2 with EFT gear system

btw it would be great to include in E not only AI enemies but something like weather, travel (food, water), transport (car, fuel).

There is several, rather small, projects which trying to do this and first AAA game company which would do this will make a lot of money. and it is a pity that some existing project which already has most of the pieces available just don't want to make last step.

[Amatiramisu]

I don't even mind the PVP, but I'd really like it if, like CoD DMZ, you could just disable squad fill and run as a solo/reduced party. Even better if they did add a dedicated solos mode. I'd play it all the time.

EDIT: never mind i found the squad fill toggle. solos thing stands tho.

[Nadia480]

Absolutely Agree. I installed this game yesterday and tried to get a feel of it. First disappointment was to see that Black Hawk Down isn't even there yet. Oh, well, it'll come. Then i saw all the weapons and the totally awesome customization options with placements options, like in Ground Branch, that were available on the firing range. This is what made me want to play and collect these items.

Tried to figure out how to play the game and this is where the dissappointment shone through. Chaos, getting killed outright multiple times because of low level gear I assume. Played on up to level 5. Love some of the more open maps, the vehicles not so much.

Invited a friend to the game so we could try it together. He said the same thing. Too chaotic, just another battlefield game, but worse. So we endured for a few levels, then tried the other game mode. That was actually much better, but still too chaotic to navigate through your black site and all the stuff about gear and selling it. I assume it is just until you get used to it. Having tried that, we quit the game, since we didn't feel like we could do much else but die more often than not.

Tried to check out the in game store. Love the grapics of the weapons and the skins are absolutely beautiful (well at least the ones that fell into my taste). But having to buy 1500 leechmoney wasn't an option. Only slightly below or higher options. So I would have to purchase multiple versions of in game money to buy the 1500 leechmoney set. So I ended up not buying anything. It is expensive enough as it is. having to buy bigger or multiple smaller portions of in game currency, just made it too greedy for my taste.

Tried a game later on alone ending up getting ♥♥♥♥ talked by some random dude, who felt a need to tell me how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ a player I was and that I should just quit and leave the game etc. because I died all the time. Trying to figure out how to block such a toxic individual, was actually not that easy to do. And it bummed me out. I don't feel like I want to play this game as long as it is PVP only.

So all in all....I'd would rather pay money for a PVE / PVE Coop game mode, like ground branch, than playing PVP like it is now. The chaos and toxicity combined with a seemingly very flawed matchmaker that pits you against pay to win lv. 50 people, makes me NOT want to play this game, no matter if it's free. The overpriced marketplace in the game, is also something that contributes to this choice. Don't mind buying in game stuff at all, but it has to be somewhat cheaper and please make a price for the weapon bundles instead of only being able to purchase them with in game currency.

I would absolutely play this game a lot, if there was a PVE / PVE Coop game mode, or even better, make a campaign as a PVE / PVE Coop story mode. But as the game is PVP only, combined with the imbalance, then no thank you. There are other games, much better then. Also, the DF franchise always had a PVE element and a story mode. Why not this time?

[Mink]

Wait this game doesnt have PvE? Thank you for telling me and saving me the trouble of trying the game. It looked interesting but if I wanted to sweat in PvP, I'll just play COD

[Srimp Special]

Would really like a PvE only version of Operations. Soloing is really hard on these smaller maps, especially when once a squad finds you, you're done. I tried to squad up with other players, they will abandon you if you go down. So it's a crapshoot really.

[76561198158889411]

♥♥♥♥ this game

[Dim]

PvE only mode it's confirmed.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/delta-force/pve-raids

[Korva]

Originally posted by Nux Vomic:

PvE only mode it's confirmed.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/delta-force/pve-raids

That news is about Raids, not PvE only mode.

Raids are scripted solo/coop maps without looting. Just like Operation Serpentine that opened 1st of january. Theyre boring and not what op is about.

PvE Extraction mode means whole Operations mode as PvE experience, looting, base building, etc. With more capable AI (preferably adjustable) than in current PvPvE mode.

[Kosm1cznY]

Originally posted by Korva:

Originally posted by Nux Vomic:

PvE only mode it's confirmed.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/delta-force/pve-raids

That news is about Raids, not PvE only mode.

Raids are scripted solo/coop maps without looting. Just like Operation Serpentine that opened 1st of january. Theyre boring and not what op is about.

PvE Extraction mode means whole Operations mode as PvE experience, looting, base building, etc. With more capable AI (preferably adjustable) than in current PvPvE mode.

Yes, exactly.

[Srimp Special]

I'm trying to grasp how much risk I should be taking with gear into operations, now that I have read that it's Operations with all the cheaters, it makes me not want to waste my time even more. Please release a PvE only variant of operations, and I'm not talking about raids. I'd rather be able to go in, take my time with missions and only have to worry about AI ambushes rather than getting beamed across a map by a squad.

[TripleJay]

Agree, a PVE only mode would be the only thing that interests me. I played to lvl9 so i can finally test that PVE-Raid on LVL9 and it was interesting, but very short and nothing i want to constantly repeat over and over.

The games i played to reach lvl9 i only had 1 (< one ) successfull match (<- doing various missions, loot and then extract), with the other 2 teammates talking to each other via mic and killed about 5-10 guys while i was just kindof a spectator following these 2 guys. I don't know if they were cheaters or just really good, but they really knew where the enemy was and also shot them down every time.

The rest goes like this -> we 3 end up in a firefight, either one dies and the rest flees or we all die LOL

That's no fun and so uninstalled the game (the other gamemode is way too hectic and chaotic).

[D.E.L.O.]

I Agree 100%.

I love the PvPvE in operation mode, I really do. I love going solo and feeling the adrenaline pumps on each step I take while carrying a million worth of loot from the visitor center to the extraction point near the pipe site, having to wipe 3 squads and some NPC on the way there. And the rush of euphoria when the extraction countdown reaches zero is well worth the 28 minutes I spent skulking around, popping Hackclaw's Nintendo Switch to avoid unnecessary firefights.

But once in a while, I just want to slow down and pretend like I am that badass soldier kicking ass, taking loot, and scoot with Luna and Hacklaw in each arm, preferably with the boys. I want to experience that, without the adrenaline of facing an unknown amount of squad of people.

So yes, I would like a PvE mode only, where I can take my boys executing NPCs from behind.

[PhiL]

There is a new Coop Mode ;)... its PvE Only.

[Kronos9610]

What is the point of an extraction game where there are only bots or NPCs? That's like ultra easy mode. There are 2 coop pve modes: the raid and the campaign. The devs are adding a solo extraction mode.

[♂TheBlasterMaster™✞]

Originally posted by Kronos9610:

What is the point of an extraction game where there are only bots or NPCs? That's like ultra easy mode. There are 2 coop pve modes: the raid and the campaign. The devs are adding a solo extraction mode.

Maybe you haven't played Incursion Red River, Deep Rock Galactic, Marauders, or others? Many of us are sick of cheaters which all PvP, PvPvP, PvPvE, etc games have.