(Critical; severe; serious!) Superbly, no pay to win greatly demanded (Feedback, advice, and suggestion for Delta Force)

[Heartbeach]

Critically: severely; seriously, find, update, and patch a path to stop using Delta Coins/real world money to purchase every Weapon EXP Token (Premium Weapon EXP Token, Intermediate Weapon EXP Token, ..., Basic Weapon EXP Token). This post is my final judgement. Critically, you can purchase Delta Coins by real money using, after that you can use the Delta Coins to purchase every Weapon EXP Token (Premium Weapon EXP Token, Intermediate Weapon EXP Token, ..., Basic Weapon EXP Token), after that you use the every Weapon EXP Token (Premium Weapon EXP Token, Intermediate Weapon EXP Token, ..., Basic Weapon EXP Token) to unlock attachments faster than other(s), rapidly. If they critically want no pay to win, they will have to change it, inevitably. Sometimes, game’s/games’ developer(s) and/or creator(s) made mistake(s). Currently, Delta Force 2 is critically pay to win game, assuredly. Pay to win makes game worse and unbalanced. No pay to win makes game better and balanced. Truth hurts, doesn't truth? Sometimes, game’s/games’ developer(s) and/or creator(s) made mistake(s). Everyone must have equality, and same game playing experience. Everyone is equal. DELTA FORCE has to be free to play with no pay to no win, or pay to play with no pay to win. DELTA FORCE didn't have to be free to play with pay to win, and pay to play with pay to win.

[Siladen]

lol, 30 hours in and i maxed out all guns of the support class without a single real money spent. I smell a teenage troll.
Pay to win means getting an advantage that free player CAN'T get. If you can "grind it" it's not P2W. Considering you can grind it and quite fast i might even say, wtf are you on about ?

[Phoenix‎ Rose]

literally have had 0 issues with this game. it doesn't feel p2w for me. i played around 15 matches so far, getting me to level 16. after that i realized that i could visit some of the events and such to get xp tokens.

did so and was able to get around like 30 premium tokens and some other ones too. used those to max out 2 meta weapons, the M4 and the SMG one, literally have not had ANY issues killing other people ever since then. didn't spend a dime

[WishFish]

Originally posted by Siladen:

If you can "grind it" it's not P2W.

Common misconception, infused by proponents of p2w. Literaly, you are defining it wrongly, check definition of p2w on google, first hit.

[Soren]

Originally posted by WishFish:

Originally posted by Siladen:

If you can "grind it" it's not P2W.

Common misconception, infused by proponents of p2w. Literaly, you are defining it wrongly, check definition of p2w on google, first hit.

Yeah, I think we just test the logic in some hypotheticals to bring home the point.

Is it P2W if you have gear that's objectively the best in the game, but a person needs to play for 10,000 hours (or 10 bucks) for it? 10,000 hours would mean a year of playing (6 or so hours every day) roughly to earn it. And a year without it would be quite the disadvantage. Incredibly P2W scenario.

Inversely. 1 minute of grinding instead of 10,000 hours would be so small it'd be hard to call it P2W. Solely because how small that time frame is. Conceptually it is still P2W. But most people just wouldn't care even if they normally hate P2W games because of how small that time required is. Delta Force is more in the ball park of 30 minutes (1 match) before you're good. As all you generally need is one match before the gun near maxes out it's potential. 0 matches if you have free xp tokens.

[JwL]

stupid discussion ever , troll kid blame other players got full attachment n making accuse said this game p2w , where the proof said can buy token show us then , only juz to know "u" having a "bad" skill issues only

[Radziulo]

What? It's not a p2w, I received exp tokens just by doing daily missions. Besides using one weapon through few games will get you enough lvl to add attachments. Learn to play instead of crying.

[WishFish]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by WishFish:

Common misconception, infused by proponents of p2w. Literaly, you are defining it wrongly, check definition of p2w on google, first hit.

Yeah, I think we just test the logic in some hypotheticals to bring home the point.

Is it P2W if you have gear that's objectively the best in the game, but a person needs to play for 10,000 hours (or 10 bucks) for it? 10,000 hours would mean a year of playing (6 or so hours every day) roughly to earn it. And a year without it would be quite the disadvantage. Incredibly P2W scenario.

Inversely. 1 minute of grinding instead of 10,000 hours would be so small it'd be hard to call it P2W. Solely because how small that time frame is. Conceptually it is still P2W. But most people just wouldn't care even if they normally hate P2W games because of how small that time required is. Delta Force is more in the ball park of 30 minutes (1 match) before you're good. As all you generally need is one match before the gun near maxes out it's potential. 0 matches if you have free xp tokens.

Yeah I see the point. Delta Force is not that evil currently. But it's a pandoras box situation. It's also about being honest and fair. You can't be 85% honest and fair. You either are or are not. Devs sweared there will be no p2w (and still do) and here we have p2w. Why would we trust them further down the line?

Also you say 1 match. Let's assume that average player has successful extraction rate 50%. Average player A is not paying and average player B decides to invest a fortune. Now we have pvp where player A is mostly stock and player B is always golden. Extreme example but completely possible.

I don't know about you guys but when we played soccer as kids, every score counted exactly 1 point. For everyone. No one could pay money before the game so that his score would bring 1.7 points to his team.

If the game rules are not equal for everyone then you get frustruated players and toxic environment. But we are there already as will be seen in the replies below.

[GoroMajima]

its pay to lose, you can't buy skill.

[KjuEf]

p2w game means you can buy a thing that makes you stronger than others, as blueprints for weapons skins etc, "the hidden buffs" this game still no p2w, for now

[Cat]

This is what they wrote on the store page:

We are committed to NO PAY-TO-WIN

It's sad and pathetic now that game devs need to explicitly state there are no pay to win in their games. That should be the standard thing. I'm still new to this so I'm not sure whether it's actually pay to win free or not.

[Heartbeach]

Originally posted by KjuEf:

p2w game means you can buy a thing that makes you stronger than others, as blueprints for weapons skins etc, "the hidden buffs" this game still no p2w, for now

Currently, Delta Force is gamepay to win, assuredly. Delta Force’s developers and/or creators do not want pay to win. Sometimes, game’s/games’ developer(s) and/or creator(s) made mistake(s).

[Heartbeach]

Everyone must have same game playing experience. Everyone is equal.

[PuppyGirl]

Originally posted by Heartbeach:

Originally posted by BLK Telu:

pay 2 win is when a part of the community can grab guns who are more powerful than others by using money for it. Guns who are not possible to get for the rest of the community. It's not pay 2 win to buy XP.

Attachments can make weapons more powerful.

You can still unlock attachments without paying getting xp for a weapon isn't hard unless you can't shoot anyone.

[Heartbeach]

Originally posted by PuppyGirl:

Originally posted by Heartbeach:

Attachments can make weapons more powerful.

You can still unlock attachments without paying getting xp for a weapon isn't hard unless you can't shoot anyone.

But one with no real world money using is still slower than one with real world money using.

[PuppyGirl]

Originally posted by Heartbeach:

Originally posted by PuppyGirl:

You can still unlock attachments without paying getting xp for a weapon isn't hard unless you can't shoot anyone.

But it is still slower than one paid.

So? Weapon is fine with out any attachments