Why the "aimbot" problem is not what you think.

[CatTank]

So I keep seeing discussions about cheaters, hackers, etc.
NO cheating at most is kept to a minimum. How? The devs have active anti-cheat measures. With new updates older cheats from veterancheats no longer work.

What gamers are doing however are using in-game mechanics, mostly from the two recon classes, who can ping characters on the map.
Luna has a special arrow ability can reach at least 200 to 400 meters on the map to ping enemy locations. Now this ability has been nerfed enough to where if you do get pinged by this you can avoid it...mostly.
Here's how. You'll get a first ping saying 'location found' or something like that but a second warning in yellow that moves ina yellow bar. This is your cue to stop, maybe drop, don't move in motion anywhere. Then after that is done and you don't see the secondary red warning, then you're okay.

Hackclaw's ability draw's white, yellow, to red lines to nearby enemies. Her ability can help people trace to the enemy location. It's semi wall hackish due to the fact she can locate someone with line being traced to them. To further enhance this if you hold V or the flashbang utility after pinging , look directly at one of the yelllow or red lines, hold V, then the drone will home in on the player on that line. You can then try to ambush that player.

Finally all players have the ability to use their own ping of enemies by using the middle mouse button. This causes a red circle of that enemy class to appear for your 4 man team to see. If that player is out of cover, which many players are, this enemy mark can make it easier for snipers and other team members to see and attack. It's literally a big red dot to see. And worse off if that player does go behind cover, just open the map, find their location on the map as it will be a solid staying red dot, you can mark it on the map and start firing on that location to supress fire.

Smoke screens. They DO not stop weapons fire. They also make it easier for all players to find another player. Why? Hit detection markers. This game has very loud hit detection markers and they're easier to see through smoke mostly due to how grey colored the smoke is, and due to this discoloration makes it way easier to see hit markers.

Behind smoke, usually is no cover, it's just concealment. So if anyone with half a brain or more starts firing through smoke, see's hit markers light up, they know a target is there.

Word to wise, if you're smee and have to use smokes, just call yourself the malboro man cuz smokes can kill. Really they do. If you play as medic smee, only use smoke to move from one cover to cover. somehow I notice if you don't use smokes while rezzing another player there's less like shots to come at you.

[NotZer0stxtic]

Then why do the devs consistently post about banning cheaters and show crazy numbers of how many they banned in a short time on all their social media accounts and even their discord if there isn't a major cheating problem?

[CatTank]

Because they're not really doing anything, the devs just post numbers to show something is being done, but it's not. They post all these player names who hacked, but those player names show up as bot names if you use the bot-only training lobby. Most of the "cheating" comes from in-game mechanics anyone can use once they learn how to use each character class correctly. The other problem is people are posting to youtube being sloppy but claiming they were attacked by an aimbot, hacker, cheater, etc. All I see is poor positioning of the player failing to cover each other's positions, and idiots running out in the middle of the open. Mostly a lot of gamers just have poor operational awareness.

Another thing most players don't realize is the handling mechanic in game. what this does it helps you aim down sights faster. way faster. others also run with high accuracy builds where the aim crosshairs narrow so someone can fire close range, without aiming down sights, while limiting bullet spread.

I've done this a lot and found that ADS slows down a fight, high accuracy saved my ass in close range fights. This is why I'm posting this.

[NotZer0stxtic]

CatTank a écrit :

Because they're not really doing anything, the devs just post numbers to show something is being done, but it's not. They post all these player names who hacked, but those player names show up as bot names if you use the bot-only training lobby. Most of the "cheating" comes from in-game mechanics anyone can use once they learn how to use each character class correctly. The other problem is people are posting to youtube being sloppy but claiming they were attacked by an aimbot, hacker, cheater, etc. All I see is poor positioning of the player failing to cover each other's positions, and idiots running out in the middle of the open. Mostly a lot of gamers just have poor operational awareness.

Another thing most players don't realize is the handling mechanic in game. what this does it helps you aim down sights faster. way faster. others also run with high accuracy builds where the aim crosshairs narrow so someone can fire close range, without aiming down sights, while limiting bullet spread.

I've done this a lot and found that ADS slows down a fight, high accuracy saved my ass in close range fights. This is why I'm posting this.

You def make good points and i will say you are half right on everything and the reason i say half right is because there are also a lot of videos on youtube from the cheaters perspective of them boasting about being able to cheat or showing off the cheats they sell and i do mean a lot of videos. but you are right about a lot of what you said to be clear def not dismissing what you said.

[Warelieus]

What, smoke doesn't stop bullets? :O First time I've ever heard of that!

[Tree]

Has anyone posted any videos of their character "clipping" through a wall? Because that will explain how you get shot through walls.
Do people know how the spawns work in warfare? Because that explains the 'zomg he teleported right in front of me, hes cheating"
Do people know about vertical and horizontal ADS sensitivity? Because that can help explain the 'omg he has aimbot, he lazered me from 150m"

The number of things that people don't know about that can explain so called 'cheats' are almost too many to go through.

[SexyBastardAlert!]

Game is a real mess to say the least. This is off topic, seems to be a problem with scaling of the characters in game esp from medium to long range, it's very difficult to pick up anyone outside of a few meters unless really looking in that direction. The maps themselves sort of conceal the bland skins and everything seems to blend into one another. Maybe it's just me. I don't recall many times during any one game where I actually see an opponent beforehand, a majority of the time they are coming from somewhere I am not looking, or I simply don't see them in time from not looking directly in that area.

I saw what I felt were a couple cheaters last night. The social part and reporting are "broke" and don't show the full list of players. Apparently reporting cannot be done in game either. So it's a situation where nothing is easy and common sense things are not included. Assuming most who play DF have BF, there is no real advantage or anything better about this game.

I'm going to try a few more rounds, odds are I will put it aside for all of above and a few other reasons. Not very polished with the game play.

[Tree]

Som31Else a écrit :

iV'e nEV3r sAW A HacK3r, N3ver Ev3reR

No one's saying that; also, I think you mean cheater and not hacker.

no offense or anything but have you ever thought that the whole point of those youtube videos is to sell a product?
Do you think they're going to show themselves being banned? Try not to believe everything you see on youtube (can't believe that actually has to be stated).

I regularly finish in top 5, why don't cheaters target me? Why don't I see cheaters? You guys are just not trying and use any excuse to explain why you don't progress.

[Optimus Prime Rib]

NotZer0stxtic a écrit :

Then why do the devs consistently post about banning cheaters and show crazy numbers of how many they banned in a short time on all their social media accounts and even their discord if there isn't a major cheating problem?

because all games will list how many were banned even attempting to log on.... like bro you daft or something?

[Tree]

Optimus Prime Rib a écrit :

NotZer0stxtic a écrit :

Then why do the devs consistently post about banning cheaters and show crazy numbers of how many they banned in a short time on all their social media accounts and even their discord if there isn't a major cheating problem?

because all games will list how many were banned even attempting to log on.... like bro you daft or something?

I also don't understand this argument.

Cheaters getting banned somehow indicates that the anti-cheat doesn't work or there are cheaters in every match.
If you think about it, people who make these arguments obviously have an irrational and illogical hatred towards the game.
It's almost like they have a phobia or something.

[Add1cted]

There are definitely cheaters, I've encountered quite a few with wall hacks, invulnerability etc. People do over inflate it though. Also theres absolutely no region matchmaking seemingly so you end up with a lobby across the world and therefore massive ping abuse (not intentional probably) where you get shot behind cover because the guy in china can see you 2 seconds ago.

[v^v^v^v^√\/]

No amount of gaslighting will change the fact that you'll get much better experience in BF2042 considering cheating problem. And that game is also having a lot of marking players mechanics, but still.
And day by day situation in DF becomes worse. Player base already shrank a little bit during last month.
I love the game, but if they don't do something it will become the analog of 'free for all' or 'official' servers in BF4, where cheating was out of scale, and most players preferred to play on some private server with set rules and admins banning cheaters.

[Som31Else]

Mandelbrick Squad a écrit :

Som31Else a écrit :

iV'e nEV3r sAW A HacK3r, N3ver Ev3reR

No one's saying that; also, I think you mean cheater and not hacker.

Not about to trawl through posts to get the necessary evidence of people saying "cheating doesn't happen" or "I've never came across a cheater/hacker" fairly often pops up as a statement in threads you're involved in.

Look, whether you call it cheating/hacking/training, its all the same, a way for terrible players to overcome their lack of skill and win matches at all costs, no matter what way you paint it, this game unfortunately has them in droves, like a proverbial tide of pestilence.

I don't really care at the moment to be honest, I stopped playing at 250 hours but I do have hopes that the devs aren't just paying lip service and will figure out a way, I don't think that will happen solo though, I think it needs a concerted effort from devs/publishers of games and devs/publishers of OS software to formulate some way of combating the scourge.

I also think that you're either a dev or paid by devs to counter claim as anytime there's a post RE: hacks/cheats/exploits/trainers, there's a 100% certainty that you will pipe up. I'm not saying its a bad thing that you do but please take the rose tinted spectacles off.

[Legend]

Yeah, this might fly if we're talking about some brand new player who does a few matches and runs to the Internet crying about cheaters right away with no evidence whatsoever. I'm sure there are cases of that, and also cases where people are just bad and think that anyone who kills them must be cheating.

Unfortunately, there's also a good number of *actual* cheaters playing the game. They are a lot more obvious in Operations, however. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the solo no-fill guy who just wiped your whole squad on Space City (along with two other full squads) and then extracted with 8mil in loot is a massive, obvious cheater... especially when you look at his profile and see a 40 K/D with 16 hours of playtime.

Or how about when some cheater with ESP has run through the entire map looting only the containers that had valuables in them. Ever go into a seemingly partially looted POI where there are highly sought-after containers (like flight cases) skipped over for some reason and all of the unopened containers just magically have nothing but crap in them? Yep, cheaters. They can see the rarity of the loot without opening the containers and skip anything that's green or worse.

For every super obvious cheater, I'm sure there are many more who are flying just below the radar, making it hard to distinguish between cheating and skill or luck. Many of the people running cheats are/were bad at the game, making it really hard to tell from their stats and single encounter.

I've reported numerous suspicious players, some who were blatantly cheating. I get ban notifications for a small number of them, usually only the one who were just way over the top cheating. Have yet to receive any gear compensation for dying to a cheater and there are still far too many obvious cheaters playing the game every day (just look at some of the people holding top leaderboard spots).

[Tree]

Som31Else a écrit :

Not about to trawl through posts to get the necessary evidence of people saying "cheating doesn't happen" or "I've never came across a cheater/hacker" fairly often pops up as a statement in threads you're involved in.

Look, whether you call it cheating/hacking/training, its all the same, a way for terrible players to overcome their lack of skill and win matches at all costs, no matter what way you paint it, this game unfortunately has them in droves, like a proverbial tide of pestilence.

I don't really care at the moment to be honest, I stopped playing at 250 hours but I do have hopes that the devs aren't just paying lip service and will figure out a way, I don't think that will happen solo though, I think it needs a concerted effort from devs/publishers of games and devs/publishers of OS software to formulate some way of combating the scourge.

I also think that you're either a dev or paid by devs to counter claim as anytime there's a post RE: hacks/cheats/exploits/trainers, there's a 100% certainty that you will pipe up. I'm not saying its a bad thing that you do but please take the rose tinted spectacles off.

Like most fake cheating accusers, you're going to make up a bunch of lies and create conspiracy theories to explain things that could be done logically and with the truth. Typical.

[NotZer0stxtic]

Mandelbrick Squad a écrit :

Optimus Prime Rib a écrit :

because all games will list how many were banned even attempting to log on.... like bro you daft or something?

I also don't understand this argument.

Cheaters getting banned somehow indicates that the anti-cheat doesn't work or there are cheaters in every match.
If you think about it, people who make these arguments obviously have an irrational and illogical hatred towards the game.
It's almost like they have a phobia or something.

Nobody is saying the Anti cheat itself isn't working it's more so pointless because it's a free game so banning cheaters is pointless when you can spoof hardware ip's, use VPN's and also just simply make another steam account. You can ban any number of cheaters in a free game and they will be back the same day. The anti cheat becomes pointless in that instance. so when the devs constantly boast that they banned X amount of people for cheating it's irrelevant because those banned people will be right back. Theres just too many ways around a ban with a free game for the anti cheat to even be relevant. Theres no real penalty to cheating when the only thing a cheater loses is progress. They spent no money and nothing is preventing them from returning with a new account if they took the steps to protect themselves. It's that simple