The Gray Army base is bananas.

[SpaceGodzilla4evr]

So I thought I could do the Dude’s quest involving rifts, hahahaha, yeah that was a mistake; I managed to use the vents in the starting area to avoid being seen (I am using a female model), snuck through the rec room to the Armory (being spotted by a camera, gotta love True seeing), got to the second area only to be seen again by a camera (this one you have to peek out to see which way it is facing, and you’ll likely be seen doing so), slipped past the now suspicious soldiers to the storage room, grabbed the gun lube (why omni lube doesn’t work too is beyond me), had to run past aggroed soldiers after the camera spotted me (yes, I did use vanishing bombs), only to have a “randomly patrolling” soldier bump into me as I entered the starting area.

Not sure why Styg thought that bucking previous decisions to put vents with transitions to other areas was a good idea, nor why you can’t use the uniform as either gender was a “good idea” (it is a common enough trope, plus you could have had a spec ops uniform or even just one with a face mask).

Seems like my only option now is to wait til I can get the hydraulic fluid, but what will the point be by then, as I will be nearing the end of the game and not being too worried about rifting around.

This whole quest line feels like it was just added in for “♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles” and could have probably used a bit more though as to alternatives, seeing as UnderRail is touted as having these for many quest and you only have three options: Play only a male character, don’t bother with it, or wait til you get to the Deep Caverns and essentially be nearing the end; oh and yes, I already know about using combat to move past soldiers and how you can “avoid” cameras this way.

[Exodus Of Sound]

The questline is worth the struggle, believe me.

[Qiox]

Just kill them all instead. You get more loot that way.

[Drokmon]

If you're using stealth, it's pretty easy to get thru. There are a few paths you may not have discovered (minor spoilers ahead):

- in the main area, the cafeteria storeroom contains a trapdoor to a passage that leads to a vent right next to the upstairs area. This lets you avoid the big open area with all the guards facing north. You still might get spotted by the camera near the armory door, tho.
- in the upstairs area, the vent right next to the stairs lets you bypass the hall with the camera. You end up near another door to the office with the armory keycard, but you need 90 lockpicking to get in.
- in the armory, the door to the left of your starting position leads to the backdoor of the guard kiosk. You can hop the fence with 7 agility, letting you bypass the camera.

If you don't have either "male+persuasion" or "stealth" in your build, then fighting the entire base is likely your only option.

[frank_kretschmer]

You may try as a last ditch resort, a TNT Charge to lure the Guards away. But that doesn´t work often.

Poisoned caltrops and mines can often kill the patrouling guards.

First time I did this with a female build ( thanks god I did my first run a male ) I was ****, my only chance was to load a save, put a couple of guns, grenades, traps, mines and such read came loaded for a bear and killed everything in my way. Don´t forget the healing hypos.

IF you are stealthy ( and bloodthirsty ) you can kill the whole base without raising the alarm, if you have a silenced weapon or crossbow. But that is tricky and needs a lot of timing first picking the patrols and lone guards, the camera operator than room for room ....and a lot of saves.

[King Fossil]

It's not that hard to stealth through. Maybe a little harder if it's your first time and you don't know the layout, but still not that hard. You can do it. I believe in you.

Originally posted by Drokmon:

If you don't have either "male+persuasion" or "stealth" in your build, then fighting the entire base is likely your only option.

There's a way to get through the entire base with base 3 in every ability and 0 in every skill. Just have to know where to go and where to place tnt charges as distractions, and to bring the right gear/consumables so you can pass the agility/perception checks. And a crowbar for the vents.
Oh yeah, and you have to abuse manually starting combat to run past people without letting them talk to you sometimes. That's kinda exploity, but, y'know, you do what you gotta do.

[Sigvuld]

Originally posted by gh0stwizard:

This is called RPG. Seems to me you have never played a real RPG and thinking that everything should be beatable, accessable, easy to get, etc.

I may agree only with the fact that this base can be a trap with no exit (low level character, weak combat, stealth, communication abilities), because until getting in the base, everything is pretty easy.

Why is this almost always someone's go-to every time someone complains about literally anything in Underrail, this weird, smug af "pfft. never played a REAL RPG, eh, kiddo?" responses that serve no purpose other than to congratulate yourself for not having trouble with the thing someone else is having trouble with, all while not even trying to offer advice on the situation that doesn't all circle back to "just be like me and get through it with zero issues bro. play RPGs for bragging rights not for fun lmao"

Maybe you could, in your infinite wisdom, offer something actually useful to ensure that they can have as much fun as you are? Or was that never a concern of yours in the first place, and you merely saw this as an opportunity to elevate yourself over a random you'll never see again? Jesus h christ at least be useful, as-is you're just being purposefully obtuse and offer nothing more than an utter nothingburger response

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TO THE OP:

Originally posted by frank_kretschmer:

You may try as a last ditch resort, a TNT Charge to lure the Guards away. But that doesn´t work often.

Poisoned caltrops and mines can often kill the patrouling guards.

First time I did this with a female build ( thanks god I did my first run a male ) I was ****, my only chance was to load a save, put a couple of guns, grenades, traps, mines and such read came loaded for a bear and killed everything in my way. Don´t forget the healing hypos.

IF you are stealthy ( and bloodthirsty ) you can kill the whole base without raising the alarm, if you have a silenced weapon or crossbow. But that is tricky and needs a lot of timing first picking the patrols and lone guards, the camera operator than room for room ....and a lot of saves.

^^^ This right here, as well as

Originally posted by Drokmon:

If you're using stealth, it's pretty easy to get thru. There are a few paths you may not have discovered (minor spoilers ahead):

- in the main area, the cafeteria storeroom contains a trapdoor to a passage that leads to a vent right next to the upstairs area. This lets you avoid the big open area with all the guards facing north. You still might get spotted by the camera near the armory door, tho.
- in the upstairs area, the vent right next to the stairs lets you bypass the hall with the camera. You end up near another door to the office with the armory keycard, but you need 90 lockpicking to get in.
- in the armory, the door to the left of your starting position leads to the backdoor of the guard kiosk. You can hop the fence with 7 agility, letting you bypass the camera.

If you don't have either "male+persuasion" or "stealth" in your build, then fighting the entire base is likely your only option.

^^^ This right here, is the best advice you've gotten in this thread

Yeah, the base is an absolute mess when it comes to giving the player options, I understand your frustration. I can get through it without incident, now, but that's only because I've been willing to exclusively play male characters to avoid having to bother skulking about. It IS worth the reward, at least, but I understand how you feel. Underrail's got a LOT of problems, but it's still a very fun game if you're willing to move past them. A LOT of Underrail, when you've hit a wall, really does come down to abusing very gamey systems and arbitrary mechanics, like caltrops and poison and how those interact/can be used. Heck, playing well in Underrail tends to go hand-in-hand with said abuse of the game's systems, rather than simply planning your moves better. No "lol just get better bro" about it.

I hope you end up having a better time, and soon o/

[Tamiore]

Originally posted by Sigvuld:

Yeah, the base is an absolute mess when it comes to giving the player options

Excuse me?

You have the options of:
- going in full guns blazing
- surgically killing guards that stand in the way
- 100% stealth (requires high stealth and good timing)
- sound-based distraction assisted stealth
- mild stealth + lockpicking/hacking to open shortcuts
- impersonation/disguise (success depends on character's sex and persuasion)
- straight up having hydraulic fluid with you as you enter, instantly bypassing everything


Seems like a very solid selection of options to me...

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Sigvuld:

Yeah, the base is an absolute mess when it comes to giving the player options, I understand your frustration.

It's actually pretty good on that front. There are different routes through the areas, there are agility/perception/strength checks to unlock more ways around, and the ability to use disguises is cool too. It's true that they're only really useful for male characters (though females can still get some value out of them), but that's still an upgrade over nearly every other area where disguising yourself is impossible no matter what.
The extra spec ops on dominating are also a nice touch. Make you really look for different ways around if you're not ultra sneaky.

[tymon2701]

Originally posted by Sigvuld:

Originally posted by gh0stwizard:

This is called RPG. Seems to me you have never played a real RPG and thinking that everything should be beatable, accessable, easy to get, etc.

I may agree only with the fact that this base can be a trap with no exit (low level character, weak combat, stealth, communication abilities), because until getting in the base, everything is pretty easy.

Why is this almost always someone's go-to every time someone complains about literally anything in Underrail, this weird, smug af "pfft. never played a REAL RPG, eh, kiddo?" responses that serve no purpose other than to congratulate yourself for not having trouble with the thing someone else is having trouble with, all while not even trying to offer advice on the situation that doesn't all circle back to "just be like me and get through it with zero issues bro. play RPGs for bragging rights not for fun lmao"

Maybe you could, in your infinite wisdom, offer something actually useful to ensure that they can have as much fun as you are? Or was that never a concern of yours in the first place, and you merely saw this as an opportunity to elevate yourself over a random you'll never see again? Jesus h christ at least be useful, as-is you're just being purposefully obtuse and offer nothing more than an utter nothingburger response

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TO THE OP:

Originally posted by frank_kretschmer:

You may try as a last ditch resort, a TNT Charge to lure the Guards away. But that doesn´t work often.

Poisoned caltrops and mines can often kill the patrouling guards.

First time I did this with a female build ( thanks god I did my first run a male ) I was ****, my only chance was to load a save, put a couple of guns, grenades, traps, mines and such read came loaded for a bear and killed everything in my way. Don´t forget the healing hypos.

IF you are stealthy ( and bloodthirsty ) you can kill the whole base without raising the alarm, if you have a silenced weapon or crossbow. But that is tricky and needs a lot of timing first picking the patrols and lone guards, the camera operator than room for room ....and a lot of saves.

^^^ This right here, as well as

Originally posted by Drokmon:

If you're using stealth, it's pretty easy to get thru. There are a few paths you may not have discovered (minor spoilers ahead):

- in the main area, the cafeteria storeroom contains a trapdoor to a passage that leads to a vent right next to the upstairs area. This lets you avoid the big open area with all the guards facing north. You still might get spotted by the camera near the armory door, tho.
- in the upstairs area, the vent right next to the stairs lets you bypass the hall with the camera. You end up near another door to the office with the armory keycard, but you need 90 lockpicking to get in.
- in the armory, the door to the left of your starting position leads to the backdoor of the guard kiosk. You can hop the fence with 7 agility, letting you bypass the camera.

If you don't have either "male+persuasion" or "stealth" in your build, then fighting the entire base is likely your only option.

^^^ This right here, is the best advice you've gotten in this thread

Yeah, the base is an absolute mess when it comes to giving the player options, I understand your frustration. I can get through it without incident, now, but that's only because I've been willing to exclusively play male characters to avoid having to bother skulking about. It IS worth the reward, at least, but I understand how you feel. Underrail's got a LOT of problems, but it's still a very fun game if you're willing to move past them. A LOT of Underrail really does come down to abusing very gamey systems and arbitrary mechanics, like caltrops and poison and how those interact/can be used. Heck, playing well in Underrail tends to go hand-in-hand with said abuse of the game's systems, rather than simply planning your moves better. No "lol just get better bro" about it.

I hope you end up having a better time, and soon o/

I'm having troubles understaning what you want to say, i think you should press double ENTER more times to make your point more clear

[SpaceGodzilla4evr]

Originally posted by Drokmon:

If you're using stealth, it's pretty easy to get thru. There are a few paths you may not have discovered (minor spoilers ahead):

- in the main area, the cafeteria storeroom contains a trapdoor to a passage that leads to a vent right next to the upstairs area. This lets you avoid the big open area with all the guards facing north. You still might get spotted by the camera near the armory door, tho.
- in the upstairs area, the vent right next to the stairs lets you bypass the hall with the camera. You end up near another door to the office with the armory keycard, but you need 90 lockpicking to get in.
- in the armory, the door to the left of your starting position leads to the backdoor of the guard kiosk. You can hop the fence with 7 agility, letting you bypass the camera.

If you don't have either "male+persuasion" or "stealth" in your build, then fighting the entire base is likely your only option.

I have stealth, my whole build is about stealth; my problem is that Styg, in his infinite wisdom, decided that a great game mechanic would be “true seeing” for mechanical beings, this makes your stealth build pointless, you have to hope the camera you can’t always see is not pointed in your direction, then hope you can enter combat mode long enough to get to the next area; I’m not going to even bother with another attempt as I have tried far too many times (having to go back to an old save gets tedious), all Styg had to do was allow you to use the omni-lube as an alternative (guess the Gray Army one is the best ever).

[SpaceGodzilla4evr]

I do appreciate the comments, really and the advice, but I have tried and wasted too much time trying; it gets tiresome having to reload a save only to either get spotted by a camera or bump into a soldier on a “random” patrol path; this part of the game highlights why you should rigorously test out aspects of your games mechanics and always have viable alternatives, especially for those of us who are new to said game and haven’t been playing since release.

UnderRail is fun, I am enjoying it, but I refuse to beat my head against the wall in this situation.

[Serendipitous]

Originally posted by SpaceGodzilla4evr:

I have stealth, my whole build is about stealth; my problem is that Styg, in his infinite wisdom, decided that a great game mechanic would be “true seeing” for mechanical beings, this makes your stealth build pointless, you have to hope the camera you can’t always see is not pointed in your direction.

Not really. You just have to be willing to learn how it works. Camera "aggros" on you when you do something you are not supposed to - walking without uniform, being in stealth or accessing something you don't have right to access (mouse pointer is red). Otherwise you can walk past it without being caught. There are several ways to get past it without being able to persuade guard patrolling. Easiest would be - wait till guard walks away, get near camera out of stealth, destroy it, go into stealth and walk away into some corner where no one would bump into you or stand near you long enough to see through your stealth. Next time you can just use stealth to go into storage without worrying about camera. IIRC this shouldn't aggro the base if no one saw you attacking camera. There are couple of other ways to do it, this one is just the easiest, since all it requires is some stealth and patience. This area is quite easy because it has plenty of stuff that allows you to break line of sight, making it easy to use stealth.

It's all in the willingness to learn the game. The game is not at fault if you aren't. There are dozens of ways to go through the base, you can pick the more suitable depending on your character.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by SpaceGodzilla4evr:

I do appreciate the comments, really and the advice, but I have tried and wasted too much time trying; it gets tiresome having to reload a save only to either get spotted by a camera or bump into a soldier on a “random” patrol path; this part of the game highlights why you should rigorously test out aspects of your games mechanics and always have viable alternatives, especially for those of us who are new to said game and haven’t been playing since release.

UnderRail is fun, I am enjoying it, but I refuse to beat my head against the wall in this situation.

Did you tell us your level and difficulty setting? I don't remember hearing that.

Maybe the solution is just come back later. You may be there too early.

My first run I did the disguise route. And once I did a full stealth run through. Every other time I just kill everyone.

So, on the kill them all runs, on Hard I usually don't try before level 16-18, depending on my build. And on Dominating I wait for level 20+

[SpaceGodzilla4evr]

Originally posted by Qiox:

Originally posted by SpaceGodzilla4evr:

I do appreciate the comments, really and the advice, but I have tried and wasted too much time trying; it gets tiresome having to reload a save only to either get spotted by a camera or bump into a soldier on a “random” patrol path; this part of the game highlights why you should rigorously test out aspects of your games mechanics and always have viable alternatives, especially for those of us who are new to said game and haven’t been playing since release.

UnderRail is fun, I am enjoying it, but I refuse to beat my head against the wall in this situation.

Did you tell us your level and difficulty setting? I don't remember hearing that.

Maybe the solution is just come back later. You may be there too early.

My first run I did the disguise route. And once I did a full stealth run through. Every other time I just kill everyone.

So, on the kill them all runs, on Hard I usually don't try before level 16-18, depending on my build. And on Dominating I wait for level 20+

My level is 21, playing on Normal.

I am using the female model so no disguise (why this is not an option is beyond me).

I have tried being stealthy, my effective stealth is 151 (190 something with armor, tabi boots and a cloaking generator); the issue I face is one: the randomly patrolling soldiers, especially in the armory, and two, as I said, the camera that automatically see you and which you have to hope aren’t facing your direction when trying to move (particularly the one next to the transition to the armory and the one which is blocked by a stack of crates near the storage room).

I like UnderRail, I really do, however, this kind of thing irks me; I know it is possible to go through the base fully stealthed, I’ve seen the YT videos, yet I can’t seem to.

I also await the inevitable “quit yer ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥’ and be a man” comments.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by SpaceGodzilla4evr:

My level is 21, playing on Normal.

I am using the female model so no disguise (why this is not an option is beyond me).

I have tried being stealthy, (...) the randomly patrolling soldiers, especially in the armory, and two, as I said, the camera that automatically see you

Good level, and on normal there are NO spec/op forces, and those have high detection, so tell yourself in Dom its way worse. Now, your situation ...
... first, you can don the uniform if female, it works AS LONG as you dont come in "dialog radius". People that detects you stealthing will call on you, even if you have the correct uniform, so for cameras when NO soldier, you can don the uniform and go unstealthed. For patrols; wait and watch when they go : you'll have a full rotation to pass.