[Spoiler] Help! (Jack Quicksilver Questline - Patrick Pierce)

[danielzaiser91]

How do i tell Lenox Pierce how his brother was murdered and who did it?

I know it was Mordre, and i collected all evidence leading to him (Core City Armor Trader gave me the list connected to him and the Spectres), i can confront Mordre, which leads in either me having tokill him (which i cant do because this triggers all SGS inhabitants hostile) or him fleeing (which i dont want to happen, since i want him to pay for what he did.).

So when i talk to Lenox he wants to hear evidence, i have plenty of options but whatever i chose it doesnt convince him... help please.

Help me convince him of Mordre's guilt.

[danielzaiser91]

Originally posted by Greep:

http://underrail.com/forums/index.php?topic=1197.msg6656#msg6656

Looks like you're missing that pierce was actually pierced (haha I get it now)

I think you need to either talk to the doc, or examine the corpse. I believe the doctor changes his dialogue after you've done some digging around, so talk to him again

Thanks, i will try talking to the doc a second time tomorrow (will sleep now) gn8 ^^

[Ruinous]

If Lenox says the information is contradictory, you've chosen some wrong clue (either picked the wrong weapon, its actualy a surgical heavy scalpel, or said he was being blamed for the problems around SGS which isn't the case).

If Lenox says he isn't convinced, you've not gathered enough clues.

Rough walkthrough :-
Talk to everyone around the base about Patrick. Look through everything in Patrick's room, hacking the computer and reading everything there. Visit the morgue and if you've enough biology you can do an autopsy yourself or come back later... Talk to Lenox again and quiz him on Patrick's past. He doesn't know anything of use, so its off to Core City to do some more digging.
Jon the Beutiful gives a chunk of info after you've fetched him an expensive special meal from Moe. Then question the weapon's merchant Oskar about the Operation to kill Spectres and you should get the option to persuade or buy some more info about Spectres which includes a list of names of their agents and their methods.
Back to SGS and talk to the doc. He should be willing to do an autopsy now, if you've not already done one. Talk to Lenox again and say Patrick was murdered, but you don't know who it is yet. Back to the morgue and check the computer, the patient records identify Morde as Michael Mordant, a Spectre agent. The second option should also be available now to check the medical inventory. You should see that a medical scalpel (1 of 2) is missing. Thats the murder weapon.
Back to Lenox, finger Morde as the murderer and list all the general clues except that Patrick was being blamed for SGS problems. Identify the weapon. Lenox should now be convinced, and you can go grab your reward from Jack in Core City. Morde had took off in the meantime.

I'm sure there are quicker ways of doing it, but the above should allow any skill set to do it.

[danielzaiser91]

Thank you all for helping me, now after talking to the doc the second time, and have him do the autopsy, i was able to convince Lenox and solve this crime.

Thanks again to everyone for your valuable and helpful information.

[minti]

large surgical needle not scalpel

[Vicid]

OK so I got Morde to confess and he attacked me. After that all of SGS is hostile to me. :/

[Hurodrik]

Originally posted by Vicid:

OK so I got Morde to confess and he attacked me. After that all of SGS is hostile to me. :/

You don't need to confront Mordre. I agree it sucks that the SGS will be hostile to you if he atacks you. But just telling Lenox about him with all the details you gathered is enough to complete the quest optimally. You don't even need to pickpocket Mordre.

[Dorok]

Where is the link between Mordre and Michael Mordrington?

"Mord" isn't a serious link, when checking the patients list and this name is also in Spectres list you get something but that's it. Speak again to doctor to ask him where is Michael Mordington would have been logical but nope.

So I'm at a point it's ridiculous I got the information of Mordre from wiki that's wrong.

I get the story at this point of the investigation, but didn't exploited one element, the Borken Thermostat. That said it's when I quoted it that I started think there was something wrong.

I have the end of the story but not this part of the story related to to the job failed with behind a clear sabotage. So Michael Mordington discovered or knew who was Lenox who killed many of his teamates, then fake be sick and stoled the surgical needle and killed Lenox with it probably during night.

But still unclear:
1 - Job sabotage : Not matching well, looks kiddish as a vengence and it's not fitting Spectres.
2 - Link between Michael Mordington and Mordre.

EDIT: Well present the clues solved the case anyway despite those 2 unclear points letting suspect I hadn't done yet some stuff.

[MightyFox]

This is another one of those quests that tries to be too clever for its own good. Honestly I'm getting sick of these in this game. They make the NPCs out to be morons and frustrate the players. There is nothing wrong with complex quest chains, they can be good if done right. But the more complicated the quest, the more complex the options that should be involved in the solution. This quest, like the Foundry's Beast Quest, gives you the answers early but doesn't tell you what to do with them, leaving you to flail around until you "happen" to talk to the correct people or interact with the right objects in the proper sequence. It dosn't even let you ask questions about the quests red herrings, leaving you to wonder if they were the cause and the game simply dosn't want you to solve it "that way". Sadly, these "complicated fetch quests" don't really require a lot of thought, just waste a lot of time, and are leaving a very sour taste in my mouth for what could have been a very good game.