The Rathound King's Bride - An unsatisfying resolution

[Patriot]

So I save the town from the burrower menace, but I like the Rathound King. He seems like a good bloke in a beauty and the beast scenario, except in this story the situation is reversed he's the beauty and she's the beast. Jeeze man what do you see in her. Would have preferred to have become the bride myself, but that wasn't an option. Regardless you manage to lure her away from the town out of sight, no one spots you and take her to his lair. Her boyfriend somehow makes it through the traps and the labyrinth to find her and because he considers me an enemy he gets punched to death. Again no reason for the town to know I was involved in this kidnapping. I'm still the hero that saved the town, but I go back there and everyone is immediately hostile. No questions I punched out all of their burrower problems going solo and they aren't even the tiniest bit hesitant to throw themselves at me. Don't get me wrong they did get close to offing me, but I'm never one to hit first. It's my rule. I only attack people who've attacked me.

Now In that town there are several people who refuse to attack so I can't, won't, kill them. But they'll keep running around getting combat to flag them as hostiles. That's annoying.

My problem is there ought to be a way to get the Rathound King his bride while maintaining the truce between him and the town. Heck even a part of the bargain could be convincing the town leader as part of the truce to give her to the Rathound King. Or an option to kill or misdirect her boyfriend or set him up with Brenda. Or to get him to have a fling with Brenda and have Sarine catch them in the act and then convince her to abandon the town and join up with the Rathound King, still feel bad for the guy having to put up with this gal, but can't say men always think what's right for them with their thinking bits.

[Tamiore]

Pretty sure you are conflating two things here.

The town gets hostile to you if anyone sees you wearing rathound regalia. Kidnapping Sarine alone doesn't turn everyone in the town hostile.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Tamiore:

Pretty sure you are conflating two things here.

The town gets hostile to you if anyone sees you wearing rathound regalia. Kidnapping Sarine alone doesn't turn everyone in the town hostile.

Ahh that's good to know. I really liked that Regalia. Time to rewind the game and test this out. Thanks for the tip

[Voroff]

Originally posted by Patriot:

Originally posted by Tamiore:

Pretty sure you are conflating two things here.

The town gets hostile to you if anyone sees you wearing rathound regalia. Kidnapping Sarine alone doesn't turn everyone in the town hostile.

Ahh that's good to know. I really liked that Regalia. Time to rewind the game and test this out. Thanks for the tip

Yep, there is one rule with the Regalia : do not don it anywhere near any Hatorian - including on the other side of the river where the hunting grounds are.

[Dre G Writer]

Originally posted by Tamiore:

The town gets hostile to you if anyone sees you wearing rathound regalia. Kidnapping Sarine alone doesn't turn everyone in the town hostile.

Ah yes, I know that situation all too well.

I remember reading forum threads of something similar for new vegas when it first came out where people in new vegas complaining that the NCR suddenly attacking them even tho they were on good terms, while completely oblivious to the fact they were wearing Cesar legion armor, even tho a giant pop-up, showing up in their faces the first time they put the armor on warning them of the consequences.

Too bad Underrail gives no such warning, lol.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Dre G Writer:

Originally posted by Tamiore:

The town gets hostile to you if anyone sees you wearing rathound regalia. Kidnapping Sarine alone doesn't turn everyone in the town hostile.

Ah yes, I know that situation all too well.

I remember reading forum threads of something similar for new vegas when it first came out where people in new vegas complaining that the NCR suddenly attacking them even tho they were on good terms, while completely oblivious to the fact they were wearing Cesar legion armor, even tho a giant pop-up, showing up in their faces the first time they put the armor on warning them of the consequences.

Too bad Underrail gives no such warning, lol.

Very true, but I think I would have even assumed the regalia would have been the problem, but the Rathound King said, when I told him I managed to form a truce, that a "truce was impossible" which did lean me more in the direction of believing the town somehow knew about the kidnapping. Now that I've gone back though it seems the town is completely oblivious to it. They've just assumed she's run off with her boyfriend. Which makes what the Rathound King said strange, unless by adapting to his circumstance he means he plans on skipping town himself.

[Tamiore]

Originally posted by Patriot:

Originally posted by Dre G Writer:

Ah yes, I know that situation all too well.

I remember reading forum threads of something similar for new vegas when it first came out where people in new vegas complaining that the NCR suddenly attacking them even tho they were on good terms, while completely oblivious to the fact they were wearing Cesar legion armor, even tho a giant pop-up, showing up in their faces the first time they put the armor on warning them of the consequences.

Too bad Underrail gives no such warning, lol.

Very true, but I think I would have even assumed the regalia would have been the problem, but the Rathound King said, when I told him I managed to form a truce, that a "truce was impossible" which did lean me more in the direction of believing the town somehow knew about the kidnapping. Now that I've gone back though it seems the town is completely oblivious to it. They've just assumed she's run off with her boyfriend. Which makes what the Rathound King said strange, unless by adapting to his circumstance he means he plans on skipping town himself.

I mean, it's not much of "truce" if one side is straight up kidnapping members of the other into slavery.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Tamiore:

Originally posted by Patriot:

Very true, but I think I would have even assumed the regalia would have been the problem, but the Rathound King said, when I told him I managed to form a truce, that a "truce was impossible" which did lean me more in the direction of believing the town somehow knew about the kidnapping. Now that I've gone back though it seems the town is completely oblivious to it. They've just assumed she's run off with her boyfriend. Which makes what the Rathound King said strange, unless by adapting to his circumstance he means he plans on skipping town himself.

I mean, it's not much of "truce" if one side is straight up kidnapping members of the other into slavery.

Technically that was done before the truce, and it was only the one person. I see this playing out one of three ways either she falls for him, she dies, or he releases her because she's too shrill to like.

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Dre G Writer:

Too bad Underrail gives no such warning, lol.

The annoying thing to me is that you can kill the King, and report back that you killed him, and have everyone in Hathor celebrate that you killed him, but if they see you wearing his clothes they assume he respawned instead of just assuming that you stole his clothes. Even if you walk into the middle of town and then put them on, everyone assumes you magically transformed into the guy they know is dead instead of noticing that you... switched clothes. Even if your character is female.

Originally posted by Patriot:

Very true, but I think I would have even assumed the regalia would have been the problem, but the Rathound King said, when I told him I managed to form a truce, that a "truce was impossible" which did lean me more in the direction of believing the town somehow knew about the kidnapping. Now that I've gone back though it seems the town is completely oblivious to it. They've just assumed she's run off with her boyfriend. Which makes what the Rathound King said strange, unless by adapting to his circumstance he means he plans on skipping town himself.

King presumably thinks everyone in Hathor knows what happened. Beck did show up with some friends, after all. He's wrong, but he doesn't know that.
Also it's a game thing to make it so you can't get extra experience by helping him and then forming the truce. You get 2 xp for everything King related, no more. It can be 2 for forming the truce or 1+1 for kidnapping Sarine and then killing him, but either way you're not getting more.

[Tamiore]

Originally posted by Patriot:

Originally posted by Tamiore:

I mean, it's not much of "truce" if one side is straight up kidnapping members of the other into slavery.

Technically that was done before the truce, and it was only the one person. I see this playing out one of three ways either she falls for him, she dies, or he releases her because she's too shrill to like.

RK would be expected to release her the moment truce does into effect.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Tamiore:

Originally posted by Patriot:

Technically that was done before the truce, and it was only the one person. I see this playing out one of three ways either she falls for him, she dies, or he releases her because she's too shrill to like.

RK would be expected to release her the moment truce does into effect.

If anyone were to learn of it.

[Tamiore]

Originally posted by Patriot:

Originally posted by Tamiore:

RK would be expected to release her the moment truce does into effect.

If anyone were to learn of it.

RK has all the reasons to assume Hathorians do know of it.

Not to mention the fact that RK does not strike me as "forming a truce with no intention of upholding your end" level of dishonorable.

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Tamiore:

Originally posted by Patriot:

If anyone were to learn of it.

RK has all the reasons to assume Hathorians do know of it.

Not to mention the fact that RK does not strike me as "forming a truce with no intention of upholding your end" level of dishonorable.

You could explain to him that they believe she's left with her boyfriend, whom you've just killed, however as to your point of honor it is possible the RK might consider the kidnapping in violation of the proposed truce. I still think there are a variety of ways, challenging ways, that this could have been fleshed out better. Though this is meant to be only a side quest the social and political dynamics are the kind of things that I enjoy in RPGs so this quest probably rates higher for me than most.