Gun fu worth it?

[Fatemoe]

It has to be effective in melee range.
If I'm already in melee, why don't I simply use melee weapon for more damage?

[Jean-Luc]

I guess the idea is you use it with Versitality so melee isn't used for general combat but just as a pistol bonus and/or you combine it with stuff like Bullet Time, Blitz and other items and powers with bonus AP to get massive burst damage before going back to melee.

Haven't tried it though, just speculating.

[Qiox]

Does it work with Versatility though? It specifically says "unmodified melee skill", rather than effective.

[Jean-Luc]

Forgot about that part. :/

[fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK]

It looks to me like a mini-execute. You could try it in a pistol build with cut-throat, execute and lots of CC. Since it increases attack skill it increases the damage you do as well. Open with cut-throat, throw flashbang/electrokinesis/tele punch/taze, walk up to people and shoot point blank.

[King Fossil]

Originally posted by Qiox:

Does it work with Versatility though? It specifically says "unmodified melee skill", rather than effective.

Sounds like you should do things the other way around then. Max out melee and then use versatility and gun-fu to turn it into guns. If you spec versatility you'll end up with higher effective guns than a pure guns build. Even if you don't then you're not that much worse, and you have max dexterity so your need way less ap/shot.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

Originally posted by Qiox:

Does it work with Versatility though? It specifically says "unmodified melee skill", rather than effective.

Sounds like you should do things the other way around then. Max out melee and then use versatility and gun-fu to turn it into guns. If you spec versatility you'll end up with higher effective guns than a pure guns build. Even if you don't then you're not that much worse, and you have max dexterity so your need way less ap/shot.

Yeah, this sounds like it's designed for a melee versatility-pistol build.

[fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK]

Originally posted by Mauman:

Yeah, this sounds like it's designed for a melee versatility-pistol build.

Still, you gotta invest some points into guns and maybe perception to get the stuff that makes pistols good to begin with. In that case you could use pistols as sidearms with armor piercing ammo to shoot armored stuff in melee range, which your knives or fists are going to be weak against.

Could pick up rapid fire without investing into perception so that could be the thing that makes gun-fu shine.

[DaGuy]

Also wondering if bullet time affects the AP cost of point shot and rapid fire. Could be pretty easy to burst something down.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by fruit flavored ENERGY DRINK:

Originally posted by Mauman:

Yeah, this sounds like it's designed for a melee versatility-pistol build.

Still, you gotta invest some points into guns and maybe perception to get the stuff that makes pistols good to begin with. In that case you could use pistols as sidearms with armor piercing ammo to shoot armored stuff in melee range, which your knives or fists are going to be weak against.

Could pick up rapid fire without investing into perception so that could be the thing that makes gun-fu shine.

Not necessarily. There's a few builds floating around on Reddit, Codex, and Stygian forums that are perception 3 builds that use versatility (and specializing in it) that are supposedly domination worthy.

They do usually invest a little in guns though to get certain feats that aren't tied to perception though.

[sidd]

I am running a 6 per, max dex gunslinger using versatility currently. Since I don't have the per to pick up all the crit boosting passives I've been focusing on getting skills like Rapidfire, Point Shot, etc. and stacking increases to special attack and its been working out fine. Having stuff like dirty kick and expose weakness is a real boon in a bunch of situations.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by King Fossil:

Originally posted by Qiox:

Does it work with Versatility though? It specifically says "unmodified melee skill", rather than effective.

Sounds like you should do things the other way around then. Max out melee and then use versatility and gun-fu to turn it into guns. If you spec versatility you'll end up with higher effective guns than a pure guns build. Even if you don't then you're not that much worse, and you have max dexterity so your need way less ap/shot.

An 18 DEX versatility build puts your Guns skill 58 points less than a 12 PER Gun build, and obviously much lower compared to any high PER build.

[sidd]

If you take gun-fu into account you end you with a slightly higher effective gun skill at melee range when you compare 18 dex to 12 per. You also have to consider the massive amount of skill points your are saving by going dex as opposed to per. Honestly I'm starting to think its better just to ditch crit altogether now and just go for expertise.

[Sweeper]

Originally posted by sidd:

Honestly I'm starting to think its better just to ditch crit altogether now and just go for expertise.

You can go with crit while lowering pistol attack AP to a minimum. I went with 10 perception for Sharpshooter and 9 in dex, and the damage is nice when I crit, especially with Execute, problem is I'm not critting all that often.
I'm thinking of restarting and dumping per for Survival Instincts.
10 base + 30 SI, + 15 focus stim + 5 chips + 7 recklessness and lets say 20% from infused rathound leather and seeker goggles and that's 87% crit chance.

https://underrail.info/build/?HgMQBwkDAwVGwqAAwqAAAGQALAAAZHgoS2QALQDCoAAAZCsmOWIZw5HCowsRF8OSwocxTz4WwrNLw4Liq6UG4ry6BOK9hAXfvw

[sidd]

Ambush might be good if you go a Perception focused gunslinger - the only problem is that there might be anti-synergy between gun-fu and ambush.

[Mauman]

It should be noted that of course a straight guns character is going to be better than a dex versatility character when it comes to shooting guns.

versatility characters have other strengths to compensate....like being able to max throw for 3 pointer.