So, firearm pistols are viable now?

[Karina]

For as long as i can remember - bullet based pistols were always considered the bottom of the barrel. Im asking cause i had a robocop build idea, but always reconsidered from using it - it requires spreading stats too thin (7 con, 8 str) on a already weak weapon that requires dual stats (per and dex) to do be effective.

[Thrax]

More viable.

I would have considered them viable before, especially if you craft special ammunition.

What do you want the high str and con for?

[Mauman]

probably because it's a tin can build (i.e. robocop).

[Karina]

Originally posted by Mauman:

probably because it's a tin can build (i.e. robocop).

To wear metal armor and for juggernaut feat.

[Drokmon]

It's better now thanks to the latest patch. More damage, more crit chance, more crit damage from Sharpshooter feat, better accuracy at close range.

If you're willing to spend skill points in Melee, Gun-Fu feat can raise your Guns skill to make up for lower Perception from spreading around your ability scores. Building Melee off of your increased Strength will help. Not sure if your build could spare 9 Dexterity for Bullet Time feat, though...

[Karina]

Originally posted by Drokmon:

Building Melee off of your increased Strength will help. Not sure if your build could spare 9 Dexterity for Bullet Time feat, though...

Melee scale with either dex or str, and since pistols benifit from dex - i will mostly likely have more then 8 dex, making strength irrelevant. I think .44 hammerer can be fired 3 times per round with rapid reloader if you have 11 dex.

Actually no, it needs 14 dex for 3 normal attacks. With 8 dex it can shoot two normal attacks + point shot.

[Drokmon]

Originally posted by Esteban Failsmore:

Melee scale with either dex or str, and since pistols benifit from dex - i will mostly likely have more then 8 dex, making strength irrelevant. I think .44 hammerer can be fired 3 times per round with rapid reloader if you have 11 dex.

Actually no, it needs 14 dex for 3 normal attacks. With 8 dex it can shoot two normal attacks + point shot.

For sure, but I don't know your build and didn't know how much Dex you'd be using.
8 Strength, 8 Dex, 7 Con... sounds like you'll be strapped for ability points elsewhere. Any idea how the build will look?

[Karina]

Originally posted by Drokmon:

Originally posted by Esteban Failsmore:

Melee scale with either dex or str, and since pistols benifit from dex - i will mostly likely have more then 8 dex, making strength irrelevant. I think .44 hammerer can be fired 3 times per round with rapid reloader if you have 11 dex.

Actually no, it needs 14 dex for 3 normal attacks. With 8 dex it can shoot two normal attacks + point shot.

For sure, but I don't know your build and didn't know how much Dex you'd be using.
8 Strength, 8 Dex, 7 Con... sounds like you'll be strapped for ability points elsewhere. Any idea how the build will look?

Walk forward menacingly. Reach melee range. Aply stun with dirty kick or flashbang (shaded metal helmet gives immunity to flashbangs) or electo shocker. Execute. Opportunist + special attacks against incapacitated targets basically.

Pistol is .44 hammerer with rapid reloader and module that augments special attacks. Super steel armor with regenerative vest (rapid metabolism feat), super steel boots with springs, super steel helmet with shaded visor. Groin guard and paranoia feat to remove crits. Mb 10 con for stun immunity.

No int, no agility - dumb as brick, slow as ♥♥♥♥.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by Esteban Failsmore:

Originally posted by Drokmon:

For sure, but I don't know your build and didn't know how much Dex you'd be using.
8 Strength, 8 Dex, 7 Con... sounds like you'll be strapped for ability points elsewhere. Any idea how the build will look?

Walk forward menacingly. Reach melee range. Aply stun with dirty kick or flashbang (shaded metal helmet gives immunity to flashbangs) or electo shocker. Execute. Opportunist + special attacks against incapacitated targets basically.

Pistol is .44 hammerer with rapid reloader and module that augments special attacks. Super steel armor with regenerative vest (rapid metabolism feat), super steel boots with springs, super steel helmet with shaded visor. Groid guard and paranoia feat to remove crits.

No int, no agility - dumb as brick, slow as ♥♥♥♥.

Can we get the Judge Dredd Build, must include Praetorian Lawgiver and Yell.

[Karina]

Originally posted by Princess Soap:

Originally posted by Esteban Failsmore:

Walk forward menacingly. Reach melee range. Aply stun with dirty kick or flashbang (shaded metal helmet gives immunity to flashbangs) or electo shocker. Execute. Opportunist + special attacks against incapacitated targets basically.

Pistol is .44 hammerer with rapid reloader and module that augments special attacks. Super steel armor with regenerative vest (rapid metabolism feat), super steel boots with springs, super steel helmet with shaded visor. Groid guard and paranoia feat to remove crits.

No int, no agility - dumb as brick, slow as ♥♥♥♥.

Can we get the Judge Dredd Build, must include Praetorian Lawgiver and Yell.

Yell actually sounds good. Intimidation scales off strength too?

[Fenix-Venix]

Funny thing there was a guy, who played game with char named Robocop - used only first and crowbar afair.

[Karina]

I remember that this thing exist (never joined praetorians after armor overhaul).


https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Praetorian_Chestguard

Is this armor any good? It looks like a metal armor, provides decent protection AND only requires 5 strength. Thats 3 points i can put somewhere else. Plus praetorian guard are basically police force.

[happybjorn]

It's okay, but is pretty much inferior riot gear (or maybe something halfway between riot gear and metal armor).

Not sure how well it works with the Robocop theme; the appearance could work, but a cuirass just covers the torso (it might not be full plate enough).

[Karina]

Originally posted by happybjorn:

It's okay, but is pretty much inferior riot gear (or maybe something halfway between riot gear and metal armor).

Not sure how well it works with the Robocop theme; the appearance could work, but a cuirass just covers the torso (it might not be full plate enough).

Unfortunately, you are correct. I thought i could get away with just 5 strength. This builds needs a lot of different stats -

8 dex minimum, mb more
8 strength to wear armor
7 or 10 constitution for feats, ideally 10 for stun immunity
8 per minimum, mb more.

No int means no armor slopping and gun nut, on top of that crafting will be terrible most of the game. No agi means no sprint.

[D E V I N]

https://underrail.info/build/?HgkPAwMKAwPCoCsAwqAAAABkNAAAwpx1L3d1AAAARgAAck8mAR5ZWyvChxYRS8OSFzoxwrPDkTPio7oK4qWUBd-_

This is the TinCan pistol boy I'm playing as right now. Seems viable but isn't very op.

[Karina]

Originally posted by Just Devin:

https://underrail.info/build/?HgkPAwMKAwPCoCsAwqAAAABkNAAAwpx1L3d1AAAARgAAck8mAR5ZWyvChxYRS8OSFzoxwrPDkTPio7oK4qWUBd-_

This is the TinCan pistol boy I'm playing as right now. Seems viable but isn't very op.

I see you had the different aproach (no Con). Does metal armor has enough defense on its own to preserve your frail little body? There is not much meat beneath that tin suit AND you even taken psi feat for even less health. Also, gunslinger at lvl 20? Wut?