Deep Caverns

[Saga]

This game is a solid 9/10 up to that point, then it all comes crashing down in flames afterwards.The paradigm shift is jarring, I was even planning a tank/sledgehammer character for my next run, but I don't even want to think how dreadful would be going through this place without stealth.

[Altos]

Is there anything in particular that you're having difficulty with?

If you're interested, destroyor's "In-depth FAQ" Guide has a section dedicated to helping players through Deep Caverns. I recommend you check it out: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=843557165
Also, if you want a map of DC, you can find it at the bottom of this fan-made world map here: http://www.underrail.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Map_by_Pipboy.png

[Saga]

I appreciate your help, but I just think that the whole place and the fetching quest is boring, there's so many enemies around, also not being able to take my time to explore the place due the Eye of Tchort debuff kinda kills the fun for me.

[Altos]

Yeah, that's a pretty common complaint. Players with high stealth skill tend to be ambivalent towards DC, while players with little to no stealth skill tend to hate it.

If you go talk to Leo and choose the unconfrontational dialogue options, he can teach you a feat that makes the Eye of Tchort debuff take a lot longer to show up. With the feat, you can easily walk through the whole Hollow Earth complex up to Tchort's gate without having any Tchortlings spawn. But without the feat, they spawn every minute.

[Serendipitous]

Tbh, when you already know what to do and what tricks the place holds, it's not that hard. I played heavy sledg build and it was pretty good (unless you for some reason forget to take Expose Weakness). Just do Leo's quest and use hatches. Didn't even have to fight any tchortlings except one. Ark station was even faster than with stealthy build, because with tank you can just go where you need to staight away, destroying any bots in your way. Just make yoursefl decent super steel armor and you are solid.

This game is a solid 9/10 up to that point, then it all comes crashing down in flames afterwards.

There are a lot of design choices there that are...questionable. This place has annoyance factor turned up quie high. But there are some good things too. It looks really nice for example and huge background info dumps were really appreciated. It was really awesome to read info about events back then and connect them with events and people in the underrail.

also not being able to take my time to explore the place due the Eye of Tchort debuff kinda kills the fun for me.

I do agree with you. Though thankfully it's in place only in several areas.

[҉҉҉Ψ҉҉҉]

Originally posted by PsyЯen:

This game is a solid 9/10 up to that point, then it all comes crashing down in flames afterwards.The paradigm shift is jarring, I was even planning a tank/sledgehammer character for my next run, but I don't even want to think how dreadful would be going through this place without stealth.

Decent planning, and you can even oneshot (i'm not kidding) Thcort, there is no absolute need for stealth in DC. Can't believe someone have such a hard time in DC. Indeed there is some disbalance in certain classes, as i aleady said, you can be very OP, and it's becoming a little bit boring (not for me). On the other hand, rest of the hard classes will be still interesting/fun to play in DC.

[Ptolemy]

I hated DC the first time I played through it, however that was before the patch that made the respawning enemies and such less obnoxious. DC has grown on me over time. It's like a pseudo-survival horror game within an RPG. For something in an isometric game it's very atmospheric. There are more than a couple of very System Shock-esque moments that I find enjoyable. My advice is to give it a chance and try not to let the fact that it's quite different from the rest of the game colour your experience of it.

[Jean-Luc]

DC's a kick in the nuts for the first time player with no stealth but once you pop your cherry it'll be fine. Love the oppressive, alien atmospere of DC.

[Mead Champion]

Deep Caverns are lovely as long as you have decent equipment and a viable build.

[Mead Champion]

I finished the game two weeks ago and I killed Tchort in one shot/first turn using Stealth and Snipe. Here. I thought I was incredibly lucky, so a few minutes ago I decided to load my old savegame and try to kill him one more time. Just for kicks.

I killed him at first attempt again, without Stealth and Snipe this time.

Spoiler video:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1175846984
It proves that a proper build, good tactics and quality equipment are much more important than RNG or pure luck.

[Saga]

Welp, I managed to get through mushroom forest, but Arke completely drained my resources, I'm almost with no health hypos left and the endless swarm of robots plus high mechanical resistance tired me out. It's a damn shame I'll have to quit this game after coming so far, but I can't see a way out of this mess.

[Serendipitous]

Deep Caverns are lovely as long as you have decent equipment and a viable build.

I finished the game two weeks ago and I killed Tchort in one shot/first turn using Stealth and Snipe.

So, just like Altos said

Players with high stealth skill tend to be ambivalent towards DC, while players with little to no stealth skill tend to hate it.

Sniper is the easiest build to play DC with, actually.

Did you use wiki to solve puzzles? How did you knew that you need to stand in the mushroom clouds, for example?

[Mead Champion]

Mutagen puzzle? I didn't solve it, I didn't even try.

Mushroom cloud? I got infected by accident while exploring the forest. If it hadn't happened, I would have probably used Wiki. The solution to this quest wasn't obvious and straightforward, I agree with you.

Parts for the gate? I found all of them simply by wandering in the caves and looting enemies and containers.

However, I used Wiki to find the information about the computer that opens the door leading to IRIS. I just got tired of backtracking and checking every single computer in order to find the location of IRIS.

Even though I played as a stealthy character, I didn't avoid any fights. It seems that I killed every single non-respawning enemy in DC.

I in fact tried to engage in all fights. I would often kill two enemies (in the area) from stealth and would fight the rest without stealth if they detected me. I used sprint, grenades and traps, just like in my second fight against Tchort, where I didn't have a chance to use stealth.

I also had plenty of supplies when I descended into the caverns. I knew that it was impossible to go back once you are in the caves (it was my second trip to the caves), so I took lots of consumables, W2C bullets, chemical traps and high quality grenades with me.

Next time I'm going to play Underrail either as a gunslinger or as a sledgehammer tank. Neither of these builds will have stealth. I'll let you know about my experience in Deep Caverns. I hope it won't make me hate DC.

[Fenix-Venix]

Originally posted by PsyЯen:

This game is a solid 9/10 up to that point, then it all comes crashing down in flames afterwards.The paradigm shift is jarring, I was even planning a tank/sledgehammer character for my next run, but I don't even want to think how dreadful would be going through this place without stealth.

Who doesn't let you try sledgehammer build WITH a stealth? I did this - works fine.

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Originally posted by Fenix-Venix:

Originally posted by PsyЯen:

This game is a solid 9/10 up to that point, then it all comes crashing down in flames afterwards.The paradigm shift is jarring, I was even planning a tank/sledgehammer character for my next run, but I don't even want to think how dreadful would be going through this place without stealth.

Who doesn't let you try sledgehammer build WITH a stealth? I did this - works fine.

Quite whisper from a dark corner: "Pssst. Need a sledgehammer?" :D

[Kensai]

I made a character build that was non-psion low willpower and now that I'm at the end game there are certain fights that seem impossible to progress through Deep Caverns. I need to get through Tithonus Laboratory that is filled with ghosts in deep caverns to get the hydraulic control valve necessary to Repair the gate mechanism and its impossible for me to even kill one of these ghosts without psion abilities. Sneaking past the ghosts is also fruitless despite my sneak being above 110.
My character build is focused around assault rifles and I maximized offense/defense, crafting, lockpicking crafting.
I have been consulting the underrail wikia page but its no help in this fight