Need advice for Zaman and Chop Chop

[Idi Amin]

This ♥♥♥♥ is pissing me off, not only do I have to deal with someone with insane stealth perception, he shoots adrenaline nearly kills me then I have to deal with a robot with 460 health.
Are you kidding me? I'm level 12 psi build and I'm about to just give up on this game in general because I'm slowly having less and less fun over all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this game throws at you.

I've dealt with Zaman before but that was before Styg seemed to find it a good idea to add a 460 health robot that hits like a truck.

[Qiox]

Throw an emp grenade at the bot, then kill it while it is stunned. Throw a net at Zaman and kill him while he can't move. I always found those two quite trivial.

Also, why not come just come back later when you are higher level? Why beat your head against a wall like that?

I don't think I ever came across him before level 18 or so. Most everything around Core City is going to be significantly higher level than you.

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Huh? And what will you do against 700 hp industrial bots in Deep Caverns? :)

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Level 12 is pretty weak for this game. Consider leveling up to improve stealth, dodge and evasion if that's your build. I'd say you become strong from the moment you reach the 100% in skills, so by level 18 if I'm not mistaken. Before, just avoid hard fights and just explore, scavenge, craft,... get prepared.
And yeah, Qiox got it right.
And yeah, 460 HP is not a lot. I'm currently with a stealthy sniper build, one shot is enough with piercing bullets to get rid of it.

Also, some build don't allow to do some fights or only very late once you're hardcore and dominating. Like Carnifex if you want the Invictus title from the Arena, there's many build that won't work well. And in some dark places, you'll get some monstrous Death Stalkers and Crawlers, which require good planning and strategy to fight.
This fight is far from being one of the most difficult.

It's a hard game. And the psi build is quite hard to specialize properly considering the number of skills it offers. Again, at level 12 you are pretty weak, at least if you're not experienced with the game.

[Idi Amin]

I would really love to learn where the hell you get all this exp with oddity.
I have explored, I have done every side quest I can, and yet with a full psi build I am constantly reloading the game due to absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Lurker Snipers doing 200+ damage that goes through shields.
Enemies spamming mark 2 or 3 frag grenades.
I have 125 psi, with 17 psi regen yet for all the ♥♥♥♥ riding psi gets it seems useless when you aren't able to use your abilities most the time because of lack of psi.

I'm really finding this game to be a flawed mess that is only loved because it has the git gud effect where it allows others to be elitists ignoring the fact that most reload fights 8 times each to win.
NOT GOOD GAME DESIGN.

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

I would really love to learn where the hell you get all this exp with oddity.
I have explored, I have done every side quest I can, and yet with a full psi build I am constantly reloading the game due to absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Lurker Snipers doing 200+ damage that goes through shields.
Enemies spamming mark 2 or 3 frag grenades.
I have 125 psi, with 17 psi regen yet for all the ♥♥♥♥ riding psi gets it seems useless when you aren't able to use your abilities most the time because of lack of psi.

I'm really finding this game to be a flawed mess that is only loved because it has the git gud effect where it allows others to be elitists ignoring the fact that most reload fights 8 times each to win.
NOT GOOD GAME DESIGN.

Just don't play on oddity, play on classic. There is no problem with that. Unless you're too stubborn for that.

[Voroff]

He IS too stuborn to do that, not the first time he post and complains. Don't feed the troll.

[Idi Amin]

Originally posted by Voroff:

He IS too stuborn to do that, not the first time he post and complains. Don't feed the troll.

The term "Troll" has lost all meaning with Zoomers who use terms they don't understand.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

Originally posted by Voroff:

He IS too stuborn to do that, not the first time he post and complains. Don't feed the troll.

The term "Troll" has lost all meaning with Zoomers who use terms they don't understand.

Shall we come back to the topic "Throwing is useless and should be removed" ? Cause i like drama.

[Idi Amin]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

The term "Troll" has lost all meaning with Zoomers who use terms they don't understand.

Shall we come back to the topic "Throwing is useless and should be removed" ? Cause i like drama.

Did you miss the large amount of people agreeing with me?
I'm sorry but their is a diffrence between subjectivity and objectivity, investing points into a skill where you can have 50 points invested but still run a chance of throwing a grenade directly at your feet is not worth the investment.

You sound even more upset then me, where you're looking up my past threads from more then a year ago.

[Idi Amin]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

The term "Troll" has lost all meaning with Zoomers who use terms they don't understand.

Shall we come back to the topic "Throwing is useless and should be removed" ? Cause i like drama.

>Level 15
>50 games
You don't even play video games kiddo. Stay in your lane and continue spending mommy's money on cards so you can craft badges so you can hang with the big boys.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

Originally posted by Voroff:

Shall we come back to the topic "Throwing is useless and should be removed" ? Cause i like drama.

Did you miss the large amount of people agreeing with me?

You mean the OTHER troll ? Ok, you got one point, one guy to back you up :) So, you have gone to my profile ? So i've come to your, and what i've seen ... yep, that confirms your troll attitude and hater of anything. also i like your quote "i hate videogames". And pretending to be a gamer ? Maybe a litle masochist, even !

Otherwise ... the first post responded to your query : emp nade for the bot, net for the guy. Your response was about all that was NOT the answer, but complaining about leveling, typical troll attitude.

[Voroff]

(besides, i quite loved the comment on your page about "commifornia education". Fun !)

[Idi Amin]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Originally posted by Idi Amin:

Did you miss the large amount of people agreeing with me?

You mean the OTHER troll ? Ok, you got one point, one guy to back you up :) So, you have gone to my profile ? So i've come to your, and what i've seen ... yep, that confirms your troll attitude and hater of anything. also i like your quote "i hate videogames". And pretending to be a gamer ? Maybe a litle masochist, even !

Otherwise ... the first post responded to your query : emp nade for the bot, net for the guy. Your response was about all that was NOT the answer, but complaining about leveling, typical troll attitude.

Yes I hate video games with my 200+ library.
Making negative reviews is not trolling its voicing dissastifaction with a product. When I first played underrail I gave it a positive review as it was enjoyable and didn't make me tear my hair out or restart from the beginning after 30 hours in.
I dislike meta, its stupid and is removes the enjoyment of a RPG, my fondest memory in a RPG was Dark souls where I found the Painting guardians sword has S scaling in damage when enchanted +5, did bleeding, and had a dagger moveset despite being a sword AND got back stab bonus.
That's what makes RPG's fun, not turning around and going online so you can use someone elses build. At that point are you playing the game or is the game playing you?
Also by now I've gotten past Choppa and the cannibal.
EMP also is useless bro, its a 1 turn stun with a 2 stun cooldown, so you have a chance to do some additional damage but then have to run from them.
Which is what I did I aggrod chop from the cannibal, stun then force punch, run for two turns repeat stun with Electrokinyeses then repeat.
RIVETING GAMEPLAY

[Jean-Luc]

EMPs stun for 2 turns.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by Jean-Luc:

EMPs stun for 2 turns.

For Mark 1 and 2, yes 2 turns. For mark 3 it stuns for 3 turns.