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timur743 Aug 15, 2018 @ 1:47am
Dude and Biocorp
So, this mystic babbling dude was somehow connected to biocorp? Also he must be old, as biocorp is in ruins for a long time. Can anyone tell me, what happens if you talk to him about Biocorp and is it even possible?
Originally posted by Altos:
OBLIGATORY SPOILER WARNING! THIS POST CONTAINS A TON OF SPOILERS ABOUT THE PLOT AND LORE OF UNDERRAIL!





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Originally posted by timur743:
There is an email in Caerus residential, that mentions him. It is also mentioned that he is strange or funny. It could actually be him. And I've heard, he is some secret society leader? I never finished Jack Quicksilver's quest "Meet Azif", is that connected somehow?

Yes, Dude is Dr. John Dyson, head of psionics research at Hollow Earth. There are numerous pieces of evidence in the game that demonstrate this.

First, there's the fact that Dr. Dyson was known as Dude by his friends.

Second, there is the fully stocked bar in his room at Caerus. And the groin guards in his wardrobe (which are presumably supposed to be underwear; it's a Big Lebowski reference, like the rest of his character).

Third, there is the fact that Dude knows waaaay more about the world than any normal character should. Go back and read everything he tells you when you ask him if he knows anything interesting. The information he reveals to you concerns everything from Six / Rahm Umbra ("watch out for people with six fingers on their hands; they'll mess you up."), to the Psi Monoliths, to the origins of the Faceless ("part men, part gods, part rock"; yes, that is all true. I'll explain why if you want to know.), and even to the existence of the Oculus (which, if you never met Azif, you don't even know what that is and hoooooo boy are you missing out on like half the lore in the game; that place is a lore goldmine). Seriously, Dude knows everything.

As for why Dude knows so much? Well, all of those things are somehow related back to Biocorp, the Faceless, and Hollow Earth. If Dude is Dr. John Dyson, who worked at Hollow Earth and led their entire psionics dept (let that sink in), he would naturally know a lot more than the average joe. Plus, if he led their psionics dept, that means he probably interacted with all of the Psi Monoliths, and considering what those reveal to the player, it's likely that Dude would be even more enlightened, as you would expect the leader of the psionics department to have strong psionic abilities himself. And, given his "senses," it's likely that Dude does have some strong psionic powers, even though he doesn't actually have any psi points. Perhaps he drinks mushroom brew all the time to suppress his psionic abilities? Maybe he doesn't want to end up like Dr. Wasi Abdul, who peeled his own skin off thanks to whatever the hell those Psi Monoliths did to him.

Regarding his longevity/immortality, if Dude is Dr. John Dyson, he would have been in charge of the operations at the Tithonus Lab, which was entirely focused on maximizing human longevity. Maybe he was his own test subject, and a successful one at that? Or maybe the mushroom brew really is the key to his longevity? Regardless, we know that Ezra was once an Apex Technocrat (Anton 'Wight' Matveev, to be exact) and he's still alive. And that's not all: Eidein, Gunter Vasilica, Wyatt Pear; they all lived passed Biocorp's dissolution. Who is to say Dude didn't discover the secret, too?

Lastly, if none of that convinces you, here's definitive proof: You can actually talk to Dude after escaping from Deep Caverns, and you can ask him if he is Dr. John Dyson. And his response, well... it's indicative of all the horrors he's been through. (Or he's just crying about his beer being empty and the whole thing is a red herring Styg set up to ♥♥♥♥ with us, which I doubt... mostly.) Screenshots of this conversation are provided below.

Conversation with Dude:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698135

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698324

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698459

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698604

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698780

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484698996

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484699164

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1484699351

Let me know if you have any more questions. I could go on about the lore in this game for days. ;)
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Altos Aug 19, 2018 @ 9:39am 
Originally posted by timur743:
I cannot express how grateful i am, thank you so much! it seems that i'll go through the game this year :-)
I adore your encyclopedic knowledge and I am very grateful for your time to post this! this is very interesting and now i love underrail even more :-)

I'm very happy to help! I love this game to death, and I've probably put waaay more hours into it than I should, so I have become something of an encyclopedia when it comes to this game. Thankfully, I'm not the only one. A lot of the guys over on the official forums are just as obsessed with this game as I am.

In case you don't know, there is a massive expansion (100+ new zones) for this game that is expected to come out hopefully by the end of this year, but probably more like Spring/Summer of next year, if the newest Dev Log is any indication. In case you want to know more, here's a link to that Dev Log: http://underrail.com/forums/index.php?topic=3509.0

And thanks for reading through all my walls of text! :-)
Last edited by Altos; Aug 19, 2018 @ 9:55am
Serendipitous Aug 19, 2018 @ 10:23am 
I'm very happy to help! I love this game to death, and I've probably put waaay more hours into it than I should, so I have become something of an encyclopedia when it comes to this game. Thankfully, I'm not the only one. A lot of the guys over on the official forums are just as obsessed with this game as I am.

Amen, brother
Astral Projection Aug 19, 2018 @ 4:48pm 
The lore in this game would make a hell of a movie or Netflix series ...
Siphoner Man Aug 19, 2018 @ 5:34pm 
Originally posted by Altos:
1. an Oculite, 2. allied with the Faceless, and 3. an expert hacker.

You're wrong on 3, there's another way. I won't spoil it. You're a smart guy.

Originally posted by Astral Projection:
The lore in this game would make a hell of a movie or Netflix series ...

Braindead passive entertainment would only ruin it.

The lore is good because it's tightly tied to gameplay. This is exemplary game design. Unlike so many others who create barely interactive stories with forced structure, Stygian Software isn't afraid to make games and leave discovering their story up to the player.
Altos Aug 19, 2018 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Siphoner Man:
You're wrong on 3, there's another way. I won't spoil it. You're a smart guy.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me.

You can also pickpocket the keycard to the Oculus console from Azif (or you can kill him and then reload a previous save, if you just want to view the lore). I don't know how much pickpocketing you need for that, though. I've never actually put any points into Pickpocketing, myself. Always figured that any extra skill points are better spent elsewhere.

However, that being said, to my knowledge there isn't any other way to reboot IRIS if you don't have 135 effective hacking, so if you care about maximizing your access to lore, Hacking is still important. But, like I said, most of what IRIS tells you is information you can piece together yourself. Still pretty neat to talk to her, though. ("Hey, IRIS, you turned into a psychopath and killed everyone." "You're not my father!" "Yeah, no ♥♥♥♥. You killed him and stuck his head in a freezer.")
Duskmare Jun 5, 2019 @ 9:12pm 
This is an old thread so sorry for reviving it but Dude is just such an interesting character!

So, he kinda speaks in riddles and I can't figure out what he means by a couple of things, or if certain things are actually true.

For example, when he talks about there being an eye in underrail he's clearly talking about Oculus. He says it's built by "ancient red demons" but specifically "not the blue ones".
Do we know what the blue ones and red ones are? My best guess is Godmen and Leviathans, but I don't think we ever get told either of their colours. Plus, Six is mostly orange, so that doesn't really help.

As a note, Dude also warns you to watch out for glowing rocks. Tells you not to touch them, look at them, etc or they might "mess up your head". Clearly a reference to the obelisks he was studying when with Biocorp.

Another note. Killed Dude to see if he had anything on him to back up lore. Yes, yes he did. He had a groin guard. In Dyson's quarters you can find a wardrobe with three groin guards in it. (Side note, yes it was sad killing him but I had to know!)
Strange thing too, Dude gives 1230 exp while everyone else around was giving only 20 or so...

Another thing I couldn't figure out was when he said the last time he was in Core city he was looking at the biocorp building. Then he seems to have a PTSD flashback to when it was attacked and destroyed by "a three headed monster". Does anyone know what the three headed monster represents?
My first thoughts were the Oligarch but when they overthrew biocorp there was only the security forces at first, then Coretech joined them. It was years later that that last faction joined. So it doesn't really fit.
Unless it's something obvious like the protectorate having a three headed something on their flags?

Man, characters like Dude make me wish there was a 'Psychology' or 'Counselling' skill in the game. Just to help them out. Both cause I wanna know details and because I feel genuinely sorry for them.
Last edited by Duskmare; Jun 5, 2019 @ 9:17pm
harperfan7 Jun 5, 2019 @ 9:30pm 
Ancient blue demons are probably godmen, since Six's sword and teleportation are both blue (well, blueish). If the "eye" is actually referring to tchort, then the ancient red demons are probably leviathans (since tchort is probably a leviathan). I haven't seen that particular dialogue with dude, though.

It doesn't make sense if he's talking about the oculus, since we're pretty sure it WAS made by godmen.
Duskmare Jun 5, 2019 @ 10:14pm 
Originally posted by harperfan7:
Ancient blue demons are probably godmen, since Six's sword and teleportation are both blue (well, blueish). If the "eye" is actually referring to tchort, then the ancient red demons are probably leviathans (since tchort is probably a leviathan). I haven't seen that particular dialogue with dude, though.

It doesn't make sense if he's talking about the oculus, since we're pretty sure it WAS made by godmen.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Oculus because he prefaces it with a line roughly like "there's a giant eye in underrail! But that's the trick, it can see you but you can't see it!"
I think Oculus makes mroe sense because it's in underrail, as opposed to deep caverns, and it has literal invisibility, rather than tchortist guards preventing access.

I think lore-wise it makes more sense too. Dude walks past it every time he heads to the Hanged Rat. Dude has powerful visions and psi powers (the powers only when he's not drinking mushroom brew, which is never.) and got those visions from looking into the monoliths too much. Oculus has a giant monolith as it's mainframe.
Plus, dude probably wouldn't know about the origin of Tchort. He would know that most of his scientist buddies were thrown into the mutagen vats but he would have gotten out of there long before Tchort emerged from those same vats.

If the 'Blue' are Six's race then according to Dude it wasn't them that built Oculus. Since he says that the red ones built it, not the blue ones.
Voroff Oct 23, 2019 @ 7:02am 
I'm gonna unearth this topic, because yesterday i run into ... well ... i was exploring Caerus residentials - with the Expedition expension. Befriended the Dude, got the Brew, and so on.

So in the whole "new" Dude's quest you learn a lot more than in the original game, some things like his liking to Barcelona chairs, the strange combo of Doctor's Coat + the belt "protecting his man boulders" and so on.

And then i stumbled into this quaint large room of Dyson in Caerus. The LARGE minibar was not the strait dead giveaway it has should been : it was the final confirmation after i took a good look around the room and read the log entries on the terminals everywhere.
The doctor's coat and the 3 groin guards. The chairs. The logs where he calls his friends "man" and they replied with "dude". Was it Hope or the other one that stated "i don't trust this drunkard" ?
Yep, our dude liked drinking before all the "events" at Hollow Earth came crashing down. Now he drinks to forget and muffle and repress his prionic abilities - near the coat and the groin guards lies a psy headband. He drank his psy abilities to oblivion, now all that left is his visions. Attunement to the very fabric of reality, or does his brain turned to a satellite dish capting particules of future events ? No one knows.


But in the end, why do I am writing this ? Because in all the logs, i learned the Dyson and Vasilica were goods friends and pals, yeah ? ... i stumbled upon Vasilica's retreat. Yes, he is still alive. He's a mutie, now, a psionic one, one that STILL lives today.
He attacked me. Had a lot of taunts and banters, very vocal, seemed happy enought given his life and state.
Couldnt bring myself to end/cull him. He is alive. I stopped the game. Heartbreak.




... now i know. Now, i will escape the deep caverns, and talk to the dude, AGAIN. Something i've never done yet (that's my forth playthrought, third one finished Mutie Depot to open the world and stopped there, before expension) , and i didnt spoil myself with the screenshots above.

Fact is, and "fun thing" is, that you/I needed the expension quest to grasp the details. The chairs. The groin guard - THAT was THE clue that opened my eyes. That quest ... i think it was in preparation for quite some time, maybe it was cut content from the original game due to time restrictions ? Dont know and cant know, but it fits right in. The details. The small details that you cant have. I mean, in the original game, to my eyes it a really bloody long stretch to assume Dude = Dyson. Booze and someone calling him dude in a friendly mail ? Nope. But now, i see ... there are a lot of dots, more than i imagined and could guess, and they are all connected now.
Last edited by Voroff; Oct 23, 2019 @ 7:49am
Body of Eggs Oct 23, 2019 @ 1:14pm 
Originally posted by Voroff:
I'm gonna unearth this topic, because yesterday i run into ... well ... i was exploring Caerus residentials - with the Expedition expension. Befriended the Dude, got the Brew, and so on.

So in the whole "new" Dude's quest you learn a lot more than in the original game, some things like his liking to Barcelona chairs, the strange combo of Doctor's Coat + the belt "protecting his man boulders" and so on.

And then i stumbled into this quaint large room of Dyson in Caerus. The LARGE minibar was not the strait dead giveaway it has should been : it was the final confirmation after i took a good look around the room and read the log entries on the terminals everywhere.
The doctor's coat and the 3 groin guards. The chairs. The logs where he calls his friends "man" and they replied with "dude". Was it Hope or the other one that stated "i don't trust this drunkard" ?
Yep, our dude liked drinking before all the "events" at Hollow Earth came crashing down. Now he drinks to forget and muffle and repress his prionic abilities - near the coat and the groin guards lies a psy headband. He drank his psy abilities to oblivion, now all that left is his visions. Attunement to the very fabric of reality, or does his brain turned to a satellite dish capting particules of future events ? No one knows.


But in the end, why do I am writing this ? Because in all the logs, i learned the Dyson and Vasilica were goods friends and pals, yeah ? ... i stumbled upon Vasilica's retreat. Yes, he is still alive. He's a mutie, now, a psionic one, one that STILL lives today.
He attacked me. Had a lot of taunts and banters, very vocal, seemed happy enought given his life and state.
Couldnt bring myself to end/cull him. He is alive. I stopped the game. Heartbreak.




... now i know. Now, i will escape the deep caverns, and talk to the dude, AGAIN. Something i've never done yet (that's my forth playthrought, third one finished Mutie Depot to open the world and stopped there, before expension) , and i didnt spoil myself with the screenshots above.

Fact is, and "fun thing" is, that you/I needed the expension quest to grasp the details. The chairs. The groin guard - THAT was THE clue that opened my eyes. That quest ... i think it was in preparation for quite some time, maybe it was cut content from the original game due to time restrictions ? Dont know and cant know, but it fits right in. The details. The small details that you cant have. I mean, in the original game, to my eyes it a really bloody long stretch to assume Dude = Dyson. Booze and someone calling him dude in a friendly mail ? Nope. But now, i see ... there are a lot of dots, more than i imagined and could guess, and they are all connected now.
It actually makes me more skeptical of Dude. We're all buddy-buddy with him and went through a funny questline, but lest we forget... he kept mutants in a freezer. And if we've learned anything about Biocorp, we know that most mutants... didn't exactly consent to being mutants.

How much of it is actually bad memory or an act he tells himself to evade war crimes or friends he's lost along the way?

Its really too bad I can't ask him anything about the mutations in Lemuria to jog his memory. I know Biocorp has various divisions, but I'm wondering if Hollow Earth's timeline aligns in anyway with the sacking of Lemuria.
dergefata Oct 23, 2019 @ 9:37pm 
I like the hypothesis that Dude is not yet John Dyson, but will have been. Temporal Manipulation might give us that option, and it makes for a delightful hidden narrative, in my (admittedly highly inexpert) opinion. It would also help explain why Dude's relatively few straightforward answers about his past still come off as being as hazy as his "visions".

Anyway, just my personal headcanon about the dude, Dude. ;)
Mauman Oct 23, 2019 @ 10:06pm 
If we have a sequel and returning characters show up, I wouldn't mind seeing Ezra and Dude being thrown into the same room....

Perhaps it would end up with my wish for a "punch Ezra" option.
Voroff Oct 23, 2019 @ 10:46pm 
Originally posted by Chaddicus Mechanicus:
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It actually makes me more skeptical of Dude. We're all buddy-buddy with him and went through a funny questline, but lest we forget... he kept mutants in a freezer. And if we've learned anything about Biocorp, we know that most mutants... didn't exactly consent to being mutants.

How much of it is actually bad memory or an act he tells himself to evade war crimes or friends he's lost along the way?

Its really too bad I can't ask him anything about the mutations in Lemuria to jog his memory. I know Biocorp has various divisions, but I'm wondering if Hollow Earth's timeline aligns in anyway with the sacking of Lemuria.
As the story goes, the mutants rolled in after an earthquake breaching a wall, and Gunther Vasilica (Dude's bestie friendie) is a mutie himself now. Has he been "exposed", willingly or not, to the same substance as dude and dude turned just immortal and not green ? Has he been thrown in the vats but crawled out ?
Just to remeber that the last losts on Dyson's and .. was is Manu ? ... last logs were "Wasi doesnt respond, lets open his door together". Yo know was Wasi looked like at that time ... yep, last log on Dysons, meaning Dyson kinda flee screaming all his lungs after that point.

For human experiments, see Maria Hope, that's her that has given a "let's go, proceed" with a batch of human subjets in the mutagenic vats, or Anton Matveev. Dysons was at the psionics research, much less blood on his hands if any.

And yes, always in need of more answers. Cause i just asked the dude if the name Dysons jogged his memory, and ... ... ... come on Styg' ! :D
Body of Eggs Oct 24, 2019 @ 5:11am 
Originally posted by Voroff:
Originally posted by Chaddicus Mechanicus:
gr
It actually makes me more skeptical of Dude. We're all buddy-buddy with him and went through a funny questline, but lest we forget... he kept mutants in a freezer. And if we've learned anything about Biocorp, we know that most mutants... didn't exactly consent to being mutants.

How much of it is actually bad memory or an act he tells himself to evade war crimes or friends he's lost along the way?

Its really too bad I can't ask him anything about the mutations in Lemuria to jog his memory. I know Biocorp has various divisions, but I'm wondering if Hollow Earth's timeline aligns in anyway with the sacking of Lemuria.
As the story goes, the mutants rolled in after an earthquake breaching a wall, and Gunther Vasilica (Dude's bestie friendie) is a mutie himself now. Has he been "exposed", willingly or not, to the same substance as dude and dude turned just immortal and not green ? Has he been thrown in the vats but crawled out ?
Just to remeber that the last losts on Dyson's and .. was is Manu ? ... last logs were "Wasi doesnt respond, lets open his door together". Yo know was Wasi looked like at that time ... yep, last log on Dysons, meaning Dyson kinda flee screaming all his lungs after that point.

For human experiments, see Maria Hope, that's her that has given a "let's go, proceed" with a batch of human subjets in the mutagenic vats, or Anton Matveev. Dysons was at the psionics research, much less blood on his hands if any.

And yes, always in need of more answers. Cause i just asked the dude if the name Dysons jogged his memory, and ... ... ... come on Styg' ! :D
You know, I've come to the realization.

The Dude's character contrasts well with the Ferryman in that regard.

The Ferryman will age and die normally as all humans would, but is matured and has obtained enlightenment performing his routines and scavenging for any lost pile of junk.

The Dude is immortal yet he's restless and will always seek something to fiddle with. Its arguable whether or not he knows his own past at this point. Whether he has drank himself into an amnestic stupor to silence his past a bit or not. Maybe I'm reading too into this but at times it feels like with what we know of Dyson's drinking habits, he would focus on distractions or vices to keep himself sane or removed from the more horrible Hollow Earth experiments. Dude's moments of inspiration and bursts of "visions" seem to have built off this mentality, and aid to give his life meaning. Almost as a coping mechanism for the trauma of his past.

I don't know if Dyson's hands have shed less blood because he's clearly capable of doing things for scientific interest. He will do and perform what's necessary to sate his curiosity, which is sort of a common attribute of all the old Biocorp employees in Hollow Earth. Given the Protectorate questline, that mentality of using mutagenic gases has never went away and the Biocorp ideology lives on, if not in name.

Just thought if that's an intentional writing choice, then its a good thing to chew on.

Can't wait to see what Styg and crew do with Dude's character in the next one.
Last edited by Body of Eggs; Oct 24, 2019 @ 5:21am
Duskmare Oct 24, 2019 @ 5:55am 
Originally posted by Mauman:
If we have a sequel and returning characters show up, I wouldn't mind seeing Ezra and Dude being thrown into the same room....

Perhaps it would end up with my wish for a "punch Ezra" option.
That would be cool! I'd like to see Abram thrown in there too. At the very least we have to hear about Abram's trip to Junkyard after you tell him there was a surviver.
Also, why do you hate Ezra? He's a bit strange and blunt but other than putting you on an island with a psi beetle at the start of the game he's always helping you. :P
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