Regarding the Valve class action

[Moz]

As some of you have already heard, recently Wolfire filed a class action against Valve, and today David posted a blog post explaining why we did that. We'd like to encourage anyone who has questions or opinions to read it! - http://blog.wolfire.com/2021/05/Regarding-the-Valve-class-action

We will now be merging and redirecting discussion about the class action here, please remember to follow the forum rules when posting here. Everyone is allowed an opinion, but breaking rules to express that opinion is going to result in a ban just like it would in any other thread!

[Tiudyr645🧉]

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Good god so many people sucking valve off. Valve are a company, not your friends people. Either way I don't have any strong opinions on this lawsuit, Wolf-fire make good games and this doesn't really effect me so it's not really a problem with me.

It's not about simping for Valve or Steam in relaity, it's about debunking Steam detractors/haters/developers that ally with Epic arguments and little tantrums that they have little to no reason to hate a platform that only benefits gamers and developers at the same time. Period.
Tired of all this bs of "sTeAm iS a mOnOpOlY, sTeAm 30% iS bAd 4 dEvS" when we all know there're multi million $$$ deals behind all of those claims and not a genuinly good reason to hate on a platform like Steam.

[Daxank]

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Wolf-fire make good games

They do?
You sure about that?
Their games hardly count as finished to begin with...

[Burger Beers]

引用自 Daxank：

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Wolf-fire make good games

They do?
You sure about that?
Their games hardly count as finished to begin with...

so receiver, overgrowth, and lugaru are bad?

[Vanta]

引用自 Daxank：

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Wolf-fire make good games

They do?
You sure about that?
Their games hardly count as finished to begin with...

I beg to differ, when Receiver 2 had received major content updates and is one of my top indie games of 2020

[SourceSpooky]

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

引用自 Daxank：

They do?
You sure about that?
Their games hardly count as finished to begin with...

I beg to differ, when Receiver 2 had received major content updates and is one of my top indie games of 2020

with only 5.0 hours on record for receiver 2 yea very good game with a ton of replay ability

[Daxank]

引用自 Burger Beers：

引用自 Daxank：

They do?
You sure about that?
Their games hardly count as finished to begin with...

so receiver, overgrowth, and lugaru are bad?

Did I ever say bad games?
Reading is hard for you?
I just said they weren't "good games"

[Ghost in the MapleNepvision]

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Good god so many people sucking valve off. Valve are a company, not your friends people. Either way I don't have any strong opinions on this lawsuit, Wolf-fire make good games and this doesn't really effect me so it's not really a problem with me.

Ah yes, not against Valve = sucking them off. you got no problems = other people should not having problems.
I hope life is also such white and black as you think.

[Kushen Zahhak]

its disheartening to see people siding with valve rather than the people who made the game in question.

[Erebus]

引用自 TTF SrA Kushen Zahhak：

its disheartening to see people siding with valve rather than the people who made the game in question.

Yeah the people that created humblebundle and then sold it deserve such pity. /s

Fun fact Humble takes like 40% on book bundles and like 45-50% on software bundles last I checked. I don't see anyone going full bleeding heart for those authors or developers.

I also don't see any of the developers and companies REEEing at Steam doing anything of value for the actual customers. It's always about more money in their pockets.

[Tiudyr645🧉]

引用自 TTF SrA Kushen Zahhak：

its disheartening to see people siding with valve rather than the people who made the game in question.

Of course we're gonna side with Valve if it means going against an insignificant dev little tantrum over a thing they already knew for many many years. I mean, it's not even that difficult to read a contract you as a company need to agree with to begin with.

Also

引用自 Erebus：

I also don't see any of the developers and companies REEEing at Steam doing anything of value for the actual customers. It's always about more money in their pockets.

This. It all started because Epic Fail Games are giving ridiculous ammounts of money to devs to "encourage them leave a bIg bad mOnOpOlIsTiC pLaTfOrM fOr oUr fRiEnDlY rObIn hOoD sToRe"

[Burger Beers]

引用自 Tiudyr645：

引用自 TTF SrA Kushen Zahhak：

its disheartening to see people siding with valve rather than the people who made the game in question.

Of course we're gonna side with Valve if it means going against an insignificant dev little tantrum over a thing they already knew for many many years. I mean, it's not even that difficult to read a contract you as a company need to agree with to begin with.

Also

引用自 Erebus：

I also don't see any of the developers and companies REEEing at Steam doing anything of value for the actual customers. It's always about more money in their pockets.

This. It all started because Epic Fail Games are giving ridiculous ammounts of money to devs to "encourage them leave a bIg bad mOnOpOlIsTiC pLaTfOrM fOr oUr fRiEnDlY rObIn hOoD sToRe"

where can i read more about both of those situations?

[🌌Universe Of Gamer🌌]

引用自 Tiudyr645：

引用自 The Slavic Driver：

Good god so many people sucking valve off. Valve are a company, not your friends people. Either way I don't have any strong opinions on this lawsuit, Wolf-fire make good games and this doesn't really effect me so it's not really a problem with me.

It's not about simping for Valve or Steam in relaity, it's about debunking Steam detractors/haters/developers that ally with Epic arguments and little tantrums that they have little to no reason to hate a platform that only benefits gamers and developers at the same time. Period.
Tired of all this bs of "sTeAm iS a mOnOpOlY, sTeAm 30% iS bAd 4 dEvS" when we all know there're multi million $$$ deals behind all of those claims and not a genuinly good reason to hate on a platform like Steam.

Example of this: Itch.io = 2% xD
Epic Vs Apple/google = Apple win, not more fornite in apple/play store.
Game over fortnite debs...

Saying of the day: Choosing a side has consequences. Choosing all sides brings benefits.
Welcome Sony Studios to steam
Summary: sell your game on all platforms and enjoy life

You already had your drama time, congratulations debs...

[🌌Universe Of Gamer🌌]

引用自 Burger Beers：

where can i read more about both of those situations?

Although the trial was in a draw and there were no disputes, technically Apple / google won since Fortnite is not in the store of both companies today.

The judge defended the two reasons:
-Apple:
criticize apple for earning a lot of money and facilitating access to some companies such as amazon, from which it charged less
(Interestingly, epic did the same with sony and the cross game, which charged 30% and on top of that they paid sony extra)
-Epic:
They criticized the above, and in addition the judge told him the following:
"The house of Apple, the rules of Apple, the same as a user when buying an Iphone accepts a contract, when you are in Apple you accept another contract, if you don't like it, you leave.

Won:
Google / Apple = no fortnite in stores
Extra (collateral damage):
Sony brings exclusives to steam because Epic sold them at the trial, Days Gone = Sony Studios on Steam.
https://store.steampowered.com/franchise/playstationstudios

Many companies because of epic that filtered their data in the trial lost confidence with it, the example sony

[Burger Beers]

引用自 🌌Universe Of Gamer🌌：

引用自 Burger Beers：

where can i read more about both of those situations?

Although the trial was in a draw and there were no disputes, technically Apple / google won since Fortnite is not in the store of both companies today.

The judge defended the two reasons:
-Apple:
criticize apple for earning a lot of money and facilitating access to some companies such as amazon, from which it charged less
(Interestingly, epic did the same with sony and the cross game, which charged 30% and on top of that they paid sony extra)
-Epic:
They criticized the above, and in addition the judge told him the following:
"The house of Apple, the rules of Apple, the same as a user when buying an Iphone accepts a contract, when you are in Apple you accept another contract, if you don't like it, you leave.

Won:
Google / Apple = no fortnite in stores
Extra (collateral damage):
Sony brings exclusives to steam because Epic sold them at the trial, Days Gone = Sony Studios on Steam.
https://store.steampowered.com/franchise/playstationstudios

Many companies because of epic that filtered their data in the trial lost confidence with it, the example sony

thank you, i guess that's why infinity blade got taken off of stores

[minisith]

Wolfire Games started Humble Bundle, and that the Humble Store did quite well for them as a separate storefront selling Steam keys.