How bad is the combat?

[The Coal Man]

Interested in this game but from browsing the reviews it seems the combat is bad enough that its unanimously agreed on. How bad is it? I was extremely ok with how gothic 3 had combat, is this similar or, hopefully, better?

Also how are the sidequests. I got to about hour 30 in gothic 3 before quitting, would I possibly finish this game? I just got disgusted with how lazily they did the town fights, its annoying being led to think that every town has rebels that you can support and help rise up, only for ever single town basically being killed by you and you alone.

[naomha]

It's better than G3. G3, even after the CP was just a clickfest until you or it died. With R3 you at least have riposte and dodge maneuvers to use. No shields still though, which blows.

[pw1108]

As far as I know, it's not far from Risen 1.
the most significan differences are: power attack and rolling is more OP than RIsen 1.
that's right it's actually all Risen 1's fault.

personally, I don't have much problem with both Risen 1 and 3's combats but if Risen 3's combat should be criticised, then RIsen 1 also criticised for it's combat's weakness.

[Y Ddraig Ddu]

Combat is only "unanimously agreed upon as being bad" by people who literally don't understand how it operates. It's based on timed clicks and tactical uses of heavy/light attacks, and that fairly simple premise seems to melt n00biez minds.

It's not as good as R1's combat, but it's still great. So much better than Gothic 3 it cannot be said enough.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by ydraig:

Combat is only "unanimously agreed upon as being bad" by people who literally don't understand how it operates. It's based on timed clicks and tactical uses of heavy/light attacks, and that fairly simple premise seems to melt n00biez minds.

It's not as good as R1's combat, but it's still great. So much better than Gothic 3 it cannot be said enough.

roll, roll, kill everyone. Sure best combat ever. Dont dare to compare this garbage with challenging combat from risen 1

[Cuddle Bunny!]

It's so bad that it is fun!

[pw1108]

Originally posted by wyrtt:

Originally posted by ydraig:

Combat is only "unanimously agreed upon as being bad" by people who literally don't understand how it operates. It's based on timed clicks and tactical uses of heavy/light attacks, and that fairly simple premise seems to melt n00biez minds.

It's not as good as R1's combat, but it's still great. So much better than Gothic 3 it cannot be said enough.

roll, roll, kill everyone. Sure best combat ever. Dont dare to compare this garbage with challenging combat from risen 1

Risen1 wasn't challenging at all.
just learn to use power attack and grab some long weapon and then, repeating power attack-> nornal attack-> back dash x2 can cover almost every enemy.
what Risen 3 did wrong is just rolling and toughness.
except that, not much different from Risen 1.

I wonder why combats of Gothic and RIsen 1 is hyped so much.
and combat isn't important point of Risen 1.
important point of Risen 1 are dungeon and world design.

[Wyrtt]

combat was alway one of the most importan parts of the series. 80% of time you fight something. World, dialogs, craft and exploration, just helped to figth better and more immersed.
In risen 3 you just roll untill you get magic. Than everything just dead. Ai can fight you at range.

[Y Ddraig Ddu]

Yeah, you don't even need to roll; if you don't the combat is operationally identical to Risen 1. This is fact.

[pw1108]

Originally posted by wyrtt:

combat was alway one of the most importan parts of the series. 80% of time you fight something. World, dialogs, craft and exploration, just helped to figth better and more immersed.
In risen 3 you just roll untill you get magic. Than everything just dead. Ai can fight you at range.

you know what? same for Morrowind.
spent 40% of time for killing cliff racer only
but most of time for most of RPGs, combats are just obstacle: after you know how to overcome it, then it's just grinding work to fight.

magic of Risen 1 also OP too, it also can freeze enemy.
same for Gothic 1~3, freezing is super OP.
and finding or perchasing mana potion isn't that hard too.

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by pw1108:

Originally posted by wyrtt:

combat was alway one of the most importan parts of the series. 80% of time you fight something. World, dialogs, craft and exploration, just helped to figth better and more immersed.
In risen 3 you just roll untill you get magic. Than everything just dead. Ai can fight you at range.

you know what? same for Morrowind.
spent 40% of time for killing cliff racer only :risen2clawmonkey:
but most of time for most of RPGs, combats are just obstacle: after you know how to overcome it, then it's just grinding work to fight.

magic of Risen 1 also OP too, it also can freeze enemy.
same for Gothic 1~3, freezing is super OP.
and finding or perchasing mana potion isn't that hard too.

sure. Morrowind had worst combat ever. Even casual action from skyblivion is nice.
You need to do a lot to get some magic in gothic 1-2. Less in rien but still.
Risen 3? Do few easy quests for mages and get glove of immortality. You dont even have mana. You can spam fireball for eternity.

[pw1108]

Originally posted by wyrtt:

Originally posted by pw1108:

you know what? same for Morrowind.
spent 40% of time for killing cliff racer only
but most of time for most of RPGs, combats are just obstacle: after you know how to overcome it, then it's just grinding work to fight.

magic of Risen 1 also OP too, it also can freeze enemy.
same for Gothic 1~3, freezing is super OP.
and finding or perchasing mana potion isn't that hard too.

sure. Morrowind had worst combat ever. Even casual action from skyblivion is nice.
You need to do a lot to get some magic in gothic 1-2. Less in rien but still.
Risen 3? Do few easy quests for mages and get glove of immortality. You dont even have mana. You can spam fireball for eternity.

you still can buy magic from market at G2.
and I killed shadow lords at very first chapter.
and I slaughtered all the skeletons in library in monastery even at level 3.
and I killed a dragon at chapter 2(maybe it's bug because other dragons are invincible untill chapter 4) easily with a single ice wave scroll.

orcs are too dumb that repeating slashing left& right then back dashing at right time can easily kill them. how about trolls? I killed with without shrink but orc's hammer's critical attack at chapter 1.


and at RIsen 1, there aren't actual challenging enemy at all.
maybe ash beast or ogres are challenging but they can easilly beaten if you learn power attack.
Risen 3 is easy because it's not much different from Risen 1.
all human enemies are easily killed by power attack->normal attack and back dashing.
ash beasts and ogres? same solution works well.
at least Risen 3 have some challenging enemy(shadow lords, shadow beasts) upon flawed system.

and most important part is, " Do few easy quests for mages and get glove" this.
not combat itself. if you want to criticize Risen 3 with comparing other PB's game, then combat isn't good method because they are not better nor worse than Risen 3.

[Wyrtt]

if you ay so. If you consider risen 2-3 combat same as gothic 1-2 and risen 1 than we have nothing to discuss.

[Septim]

magic takes forever to get which is kinda annoying and its what I holding out for to get trying to keep most enmies alive so I can magic there asses later on lol

[redeyedraven]

Originally posted by Septim:

magic takes forever to get

afaik you just need to join one of the major factions to be able to learn magic. This can take around 3-4 hours if you rush through Kila, for example.

[Eleazaros]

Combat just feels ... wonkey getting started. once you get into it a bit it isn't that bad but...

Everything bounces in and out as they attack - except ranged attacks and those are less common than the 'coming at you'.

You don't get hit with mamy magical attacks so it's mostly physical hits as you go.

All mobs have a tell on their attacks so if you watch for it, you can riposte or dodge.

If you go melee, later you you'll do well and that final fight... I don't think I could do it without melee abilities beefed up a lot.