[SNK] - Hotaru Futaba with 4 frame DP is broken

[EL FUERTE BRAZIL]

All characters in the game have DP from 5 frames, Hotaru needs correction because she has DP of 4 frames, fast recovery magic, Command Grab, etc., there would be no need to change the rest of her to keep her playable, just make her DP from 4 to 5 frames like all the other characters, thank you for your attention.

[Arbor]

Hotaru is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Has too many properties and is way too safe.

[Pikachyui8]

She does seem BS, add to that Kain.

I don't understand why they give some characters like everything, they do it a lot in fighting games, why some are deprived.

[EL FUERTE BRAZIL]

Originally posted by Arbor:

Hotaru is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Has too many properties and is way too safe.

I believe that she herself is very good, but the DP cannot be 4 frames because she already has a complete Kit. The only one in the game that has a DP of 4 frames, this is unfair and broken, just increase the DP from 4 to 5 frames and everything will be resolved.

[Arbor]

Originally posted by EL FUERTE BRAZIL:

Originally posted by Arbor:

Hotaru is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Has too many properties and is way too safe.

I believe that she herself is very good, but the DP cannot be 4 frames because she already has a complete Kit. The only one in the game that has a DP of 4 frames, this is unfair and broken, just increase the DP from 4 to 5 frames and everything will be resolved.

I agree that’s the least that they can do.

[Dr. Ademar de Barros]

We have to wait for a proper balance patch when EVO Japan has only Hoetarus and Kains in the top 8. As if this game didn't already have bad marketing choices and a low playerbase. EVO Japan will only add to the disaster.

[kiteless 凧無し]

As mentioned above DP Feint into full combo is super dumb, it just makes jumping ridiculously risky in this game because of how severely you can be punished for it, that needs to go

This game is really unbalanced

It's sad how worthless Mai is in this game, what did they do to my girl

[RawTheory]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

As mentioned above DP Feint into full combo is super dumb, it just makes jumping ridiculously risky in this game because of how severely you can be punished for it, that needs to go

This game is really unbalanced

It's sad how worthless Mai is in this game, what did they do to my girl

Imagine being forced to play neutral.

[Bas]

Originally posted by RawTheory:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

As mentioned above DP Feint into full combo is super dumb, it just makes jumping ridiculously risky in this game because of how severely you can be punished for it, that needs to go

This game is really unbalanced

It's sad how worthless Mai is in this game, what did they do to my girl

Imagine being forced to play neutral.

the low IQ player fears this

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by RawTheory:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

As mentioned above DP Feint into full combo is super dumb, it just makes jumping ridiculously risky in this game because of how severely you can be punished for it, that needs to go

This game is really unbalanced

It's sad how worthless Mai is in this game, what did they do to my girl

Imagine being forced to play neutral.

what does that even mean? Just stay grounded forever is your answer? Why include the ability to jump at all?

Sure jumps in are there to be punished by anti airs, but it shouldn't result in you losing half your life bar. Full combos of an anti air is ridiculous

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

As mentioned above DP Feint into full combo is super dumb, it just makes jumping ridiculously risky in this game because of how severely you can be punished for it, that needs to go

This game is really unbalanced

It's sad how worthless Mai is in this game, what did they do to my girl

As mentioned, you lost few games and it made you so tilted that you spam forums now.

The DP in this game is high risk high reward, with hops and air JD you will see their risk - good luck landing a DP on decent player as they will JD before the button press window.

If they Just Defense mid air, they CAN follow up with a punishment based on spacing, as I tried it on forgot who and it put him in -8 frames!

Did I also mention dash jumps and crossups?

In fact with time you will see DP is bad habit and replace it with Rev Guard or Dodge Attack.

Dude I know it’s easy to blame game and boogeymechanics, or cry “guessing”. It might make you feel good short-term but deep inside you are fully aware you are BSing yourself. Drop the ego and improve or drop the genre, I really think the genre is not for you in particular.

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by RawTheory:

Imagine being forced to play neutral.

what does that even mean? Just stay grounded forever is your answer? Why include the ability to jump at all?

Sure jumps in are there to be punished by anti airs, but it shouldn't result in you losing half your life bar. Full combos of an anti air is ridiculous

Don’t be so easy to read and punished and then cry about it, it’s not “guessing”.

Also, you have answers to DP. There are THREE kind of jumps AND air Just Defense.

Day one I also thought those DP combos are too much but I adapted and learnt. I guess some can’t do such.

Also didn’t you say we won’t see your hours increased? Seems they did and you are still playing it and spam negatively on its forums…..?



Also: Mai is strong in this game, you are just terrible. She is not SF6 broken but she is STRONG. Jesus dude genre not for you, for real.

[mercureXI]

Originally posted by Ron:

The problem isn't a specific character or a 4F DP, the issue is that DP breaks leading to full combos is a broken mechanic. Rock, Hotaru and every other character with a DP can abuse it. Nerfing one specific character won't change anything.

Broken ? How so ?

That existed ever since MOTW, and it's not what broke the game (see Kevin)

You can't "brake" DP with i-frames, only HP/EX versions which aren't invincible reversals.

If they use it when you jump, that's on you, and you can JD anyway.

*Edit : the real issue with Hotaru would be the scaling after her EX command grab combos or the recovery on some of her moves, rest is fine.

[Pikachu]

I also forgot to mention air Rev Blows to bait them.

So you have air Rev Blows, THREE types of jumps AND air Just Defense (which allows you to punish).

You will soon realize DP is bad habit - high risk high reward.

But seriously some people would rather cry in forums than learn basic fundamentals.

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Got Hotaru to A-1, wanted to play Mai but the game doesn't have separate rank for characters so not much fun playing a new character at the top A rank where things are sweaty

Honestly, this game isn't hard and Hotaru is basically easy mode, all her optimal combos you can do in your sleep. Just pick her if you want an easy ride up the ranks

Lmao. He just moved the goalpost.

Also, Mai is strong. Also, character elo coming next update, also if have good fundamentals it’s not a problem.

Genre is not for you. No amount of negative posting in Steam forums will change that only you are annoying people who the genre IS for.

And nice ad hominem when schooled AF. Game ban is not cheat ban btw - any devs can issue it by mistake or by me asking. Or simply by logging into HWID gpu/laptop. Sorry, you are wrong again.

Again: genre is not for you. Simply put.

[zero254]

Originally posted by Bas:

Originally posted by RawTheory:

Imagine being forced to play neutral.

the low IQ player fears this

round start drive rush deejay ruined an entire generation of neutral