Secret of Mana was always bad and age made it worse.

[GrimoireA]

I'm sorry but the "SoM Vets" need a reality check.

Secret of Mana, while graphically ahead of its time and a great soundtrack too, has never been harder to play these days. There is janky, and then there is borderline unplayable. Essentially the game follows this one specific idea: Stunlock or be stunlocked. There is no balance between. It encourages you to use cheese strats to conquer the harder enemies who will overwhelm you if you try to play normally. The only reason you like the game today is because either,

A: Less games around back then so you had to make due and just accepted whatever you saw and cling to the idea it was peak.

B: You played co-op and the idea of an action rpg with another human being is way more fun than playing with a A.I controlled character (I felt this way when I got into the tales of games)

C: Stockholm Syndrome.

Trials of Mana, or Seiken Densetsu 3 was always the superior game, however it is not your fault for realizing sooner since the game was never released outside of J.P. While it too was janky and buggy it does almost everything better than Secret of Mana, I say almost because the only thing I like about SoM is that characters can equip different weapons. Regardless, once options because available or you waited until the collection of mana released people got to finally experience how amazing Trials of Mana truly was, and it carried over to the 2020 remake.

You pretenders can try to deny this, but this 'imaginative' world where Visions of Mana will never live up to Secret of Mana is built on a foundation of delusions. Whether or not VoM is good we'll see later this month, but frankly considering how terrible Secret of Mana truly is I'd say that's a low bar to cross. The truly impassable bar is Trials of Mana.

Edit: Liking Secret of Mana is fine despite its flaws. The main thing I wanted to drive home are the people who call themselves 'hardcore mana fans' are SoM exclusive fans that will try to compare every other game in the series to their idolized game, not realizing just how flawed it truly is.

Edit 2: Ignore Night4 he is trying to troll and derail the topic.

[Billy Blaze]

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Well, look at this clown, talking about the wrong game.
"Secret of Mana" is also on Steam, you know?
Voice your opinion there.

Your post here could be mass flagged as spam, since it has nothing to do with this game.

By that logic, everyone could do the same to the posts constantly complaining that it's not SoM.

You don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say...

[Frostfeather]

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Well, look at this clown, talking about the wrong game.
"Secret of Mana" is also on Steam, you know?
Voice your opinion there.

Your post here could be mass flagged as spam, since it has nothing to do with this game.

By that logic, everyone could do the same to the posts constantly complaining that it's not SoM.

What posts? If it's happening "constantly", you should be able to link several with very little effort.

[Amaterasu]

Publicado originalmente por night4:

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

By that logic, everyone could do the same to the posts constantly complaining that it's not SoM.

What posts? If it's happening "constantly", you should be able to link several with very little effort.

Take of this what you will, but I'm not playing your game. Please find someone else to play with.

[Frostfeather]

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

Publicado originalmente por night4:

What posts? If it's happening "constantly", you should be able to link several with very little effort.

Take of this what you will, but I'm not playing your game. Please find someone else to play with.

So what you're saying is that you lied and there *aren't* "constant" posts complaining it's not SoM?

OK.

[GrimoireA]

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Publicado originalmente por Amaterasu:

By that logic, everyone could do the same to the posts constantly complaining that it's not SoM.

You don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say...

I can see where you're trying to go so I'll only give you one response. Its not off-topic at all to discuss multiple games within the same series, nor is it when other games are brought in for the sake of explanations and context like how we were discussing and comparing differences with the stamina system.

And as Amaterasu said, the people here voicing that Visions of Mana won't live up to Secret of Mana have the right to do so, so long as warrants critical discussion and not constant flaming and trolling. I made this topic because I think Secret of Mana is a bad game and I felt like too many people were putting it on a pedestal and using that as an excuse to put every game in the series afterward down, which to me is insulting because in my eyes, and plenty others, Trials of Mana is the superior game that didn't get a chance because it wasn't localized during the SNES's height of popularity.

That doesn't change that there are also people who are willing to forgive SoM's faults and see past that. Even if its purely nostalgia there is something about the game that keeps them coming back knowing full well how truly flawed the game is. Those are the kind of people I can relate to because it may not be the case for SoM but there are plenty of other games I could list that are considered heavily flawed and yet I still find myself going back to them every now and again.

If you don't want to add to the discussion, don't waste your stamina on a guaranteed whiff.

[Billy Blaze]

Publicado originalmente por GrimoireA:

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

You don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say...

I can see where you're trying to go so I'll only give you one response.

Phew... no thanks.
But congrats for wasting your time, since I really don't care about whatever it is you have to say.

[Michel Baie]

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Publicado originalmente por GrimoireA:

I can see where you're trying to go so I'll only give you one response.

Phew... no thanks.
But congrats for wasting your time, since I really don't care about whatever it is you have to say.

Wow, such a great answer.
You were the top dog of your debate club, weren't you.

[Frostfeather]

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Phew... no thanks.
But congrats for wasting your time, since I really don't care about whatever it is you have to say.

Wow, such a great answer.
You were the top dog of your debate club, weren't you.

No, they were right not to engage op. I had to block op for resorting to personal attacks, which is pretty sad considering we're talking about a video game.

[Billy Blaze]

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Phew... no thanks.
But congrats for wasting your time, since I really don't care about whatever it is you have to say.

Wow, such a great answer.
You were the top dog of your debate club, weren't you.

Not my fault that he tries to debate with me but I have no desire to debate with him.
Especially since the thread is meant to strike some nerves... so there is no reason for a discussion.

EDIT: Especially since he starts with "I'll only give you one response".
Says it all what's to expect from such a "conversation".

[Michel Baie]

Publicado originalmente por night4:

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Wow, such a great answer.
You were the top dog of your debate club, weren't you.

No, they were right not to engage op. I had to block op for resorting to personal attacks, which is pretty sad considering we're talking about a video game.

Not engaging involve, well, not engaging. You just ghost. No post, nothing.

Answering with something among the lines of "thanks for the long post, won't read it" is just being a prick. It's an efficient way to troll someone, but it certainly doesn't count as "not engaging".

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Not my fault that he tries to debate with me but I have no desire to debate with him.
Especially since the thread is meant to strike some nerves... so there is no reason for a discussion.

EDIT: Especially since he starts with "I'll only give you one response".
Says it all what's to expect from such a "conversation".

And you just couldn't ignore him, alright.

[Frostfeather]

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Publicado originalmente por night4:

No, they were right not to engage op. I had to block op for resorting to personal attacks, which is pretty sad considering we're talking about a video game.

Not engaging involve, well, not engaging. You just ghost. No post, nothing.

Answering with something among the lines of "thanks for the long post, won't read it" is just being a prick. It's an efficient way to troll someone, but it certainly doesn't count as "not engaging".

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Not my fault that he tries to debate with me but I have no desire to debate with him.
Especially since the thread is meant to strike some nerves... so there is no reason for a discussion.

EDIT: Especially since he starts with "I'll only give you one response".
Says it all what's to expect from such a "conversation".

And you just couldn't ignore him, alright.

Thanks for the post but I'm not reading it or anything else you post from here on out.

[Billy Blaze]

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Publicado originalmente por night4:

No, they were right not to engage op. I had to block op for resorting to personal attacks, which is pretty sad considering we're talking about a video game.

Not engaging involve, well, not engaging. You just ghost. No post, nothing.

Answering with something among the lines of "thanks for the long post, won't read it" is just being a prick. It's an efficient way to troll someone, but it certainly doesn't count as "not engaging".

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Not my fault that he tries to debate with me but I have no desire to debate with him.
Especially since the thread is meant to strike some nerves... so there is no reason for a discussion.

EDIT: Especially since he starts with "I'll only give you one response".
Says it all what's to expect from such a "conversation".

And you just couldn't ignore him, alright.

Thanks for the post but I'm not reading it or anything else you post from here on out.

[Michel Baie]

Publicado originalmente por Billy Blaze:

Publicado originalmente por Hibachi:

Not engaging involve, well, not engaging. You just ghost. No post, nothing.

Answering with something among the lines of "thanks for the long post, won't read it" is just being a prick. It's an efficient way to troll someone, but it certainly doesn't count as "not engaging".



And you just couldn't ignore him, alright.

Thanks for the post but I'm not reading it or anything else you post from here on out.

Publicado originalmente por night4:

Thanks for the post but I'm not reading it or anything else you post from here on out.

My pleasure.
Even tho I highly doubt either of you are actually capable of that.

[Casual Amateur]

Who ever this (night4) is... Only thing I get out of this user is game play is slow and all other comment from this user is......

That don't explain any more about the demo game problem at all and this user didn't really explain what SOM game did better here on out.

Do (night4) know any thing about SOM at less? It seem like (night4) just using that name and that it.

[Frostfeather]

Publicado originalmente por Mossy Mushroom:

Who ever this (night4) is... Only thing I get out of this user is game play is slow and all other comment from this user is......

That don't explain any more about the demo game problem at all and this user didn't really explain what SOM game did better here on out.

Do (night4) know any thing about SOM at less? It seem like (night4) just using that name and that it.

You didn't look hard enough then, because I went into issues with the graphics, characters, menus, dialogue, combat, tutorial, brightness, options, movement, controls, and more. Didn't really notice any performance issues like over-stressing pc like in some other unoptimized games, but I also couldn't play very long as it's a complete disaster and literally made me sick to my stomach with how bad it was.

Not all of that was in this thread, but I didn't rehash every issue here as it's not really relevant to this thread.

At any rate, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking and there seems to be a language barrier here. So if you've got something specific to ask, maybe you should try that.