How hard is this game?

[Plot Seeker]

Compared to other roguelikes. For example how hard is this game compared to Binding of isaac, spelunky, FTL or legend of dungeon (yes I know they are very different)? I love roguelikes but I prefere them to be extremely hard (and if there is a difficulty setting please tell me how hard the hardest one is)

[Pixel Peeper]

Haven't played Spelunky or Legend of Dungeon, but so far it looks like this game is significantly harder than Isaac.

In Isaac I killed Mom after 3 hours, and Mom's Heart after 3 more hours. By then I think I'd already unlocked all characters (except the dead baby).

I've played RoR for 6 hours and I haven't completed the 3rd level yet. I've only unlocked two characters.

[Plot Seeker]

Originally posted by Tripoteur Ventripotent:

Haven't played Spelunky or Legend of Dungeon, but so far it looks like this game is significantly harder than Isaac.

In Isaac I killed Mom after 3 hours, and Mom's Heart after 3 more hours. By then I think I'd already unlocked all characters (except the dead baby).

I've played RoR for 6 hours and I haven't completed the 3rd level yet. I've only unlocked two characters.

Binding of Isaac is pretty easy untill the womb and then significantly harder in sheol, but it seems pretty hard (risk of rain that is) but I'm still sceptical.

[TITOMOSQUITO187]

Ehhh...I'm not so sure. It has the same kind of difficulty I think as Isaac does really. Except time is more of a factor, which makes it harder to get super OP like you can in Isaac. Of course if you don't use item guides all the way through Isaac it isn't all that easy.

Honestly though, the challenge of Isaac came more from getting all the AChievements ( I have Platinum God so I've played the ♥♥♥♥ out of it as you can imagine), and getting through the game with certian handcuffs than it was difficult overall. When you first started play ing it, like this game, everything was harder and you died over and over again in the Basement and the caves before you unlocked enough things to push on to Mom. Same thing here. You unlock more stuff, learn the mechanics, figure out what characters you like best, etc. and it becomes easier.

This game has more replayability imo, however in making it different than Isaac. Well...maybe not more int he snese of a lto more characters, but BETTER replayability and more challenging than Isaac I think. Since the characters in this are all different like their own class it isn't like jsut playing through the game a bunch of times with similar characters like Isaac was. All the characters had the same mechanics, but just had slightly different stats, with maybe a starter item. RoR all the characters are completely different, with different mechanics and skills so you are chanllenged by having to learn how to play well with ALL of them. Only thing Isaac did was hamper you by giving you no health fromt he other characters and then put you in a gmae that focused much more on luck imo.

[Plot Seeker]

aah thanks. Well I think I can spare $9.99 for this game

[Ћ Abomination Jones]

It's a damn sight more fair than FTL. If you die here it's usually your own fault instead of RANDOM THING HAPPENS YOU LOSE ALL YOUR METAL TO FIX IT

[TITOMOSQUITO187]

Originally posted by Gamer_at_heart:

aah thanks. Well I think I can spare $9.99 for this game

I like it better than Spelunky. I think it has more depth. Spelunky the time is just that forced ghost thing and really there isn't a whole lot new to it from game to game to me. There aren't as many items that change the way you play. This one has 100 so far, and much like Isaac can help you much more than the ones in Spelunky. I think the time restraints in this game are much more fair too. You can wander a lot more in this the first few levels trying to get good items, while in Spelunky you must go go go the enitre game.

This gmae does get hard fast though so you can't sit there for 15 minutes, or anything. The neat part is that it is noticeable in how the difficulty rises. It brings harder monsters out and more bosses. Unlike Spelunky where you have to jsut throw a rope up and find a ladder to move the ghost out of your way to find the door. Plus it has a nice end of level fight for your life scenario imo. You must stay alive for 90 seconds with monsters coming and a boss usually. Beat the boss and then finish off the enemies before you can teleport to the next level.

If you like Isaac I am pretty sure you will like this. It's very addicting and doesn't feel cheap at all.

[Plot Seeker]

I like pretty much any roguelike. If you check my library you can see I have a lot. I bought RoR and I'm downloading it at the moment.

[TITOMOSQUITO187]

Cool. Have fun. I am very happy I saw this game the other day as a pop up and decided to buy it. I was playing Spelunky and trying to master that game, but since I bought this I haven't touched Spelunky at all.

[Plot Seeker]

Spelunky gets frustrating after a while. I haven't gotten to the end boss Yama yet because I keep dying because a) maneater, b) orange frog blew ticked off the shopkeeper or c) a yeti begins playing endless hacky sack with my body.

[Vinnydebs]

Originally posted by Ћ Ghost Shark Cop Jones:

It's a damn sight more fair than FTL. If you die here it's usually your own fault instead of RANDOM THING HAPPENS YOU LOSE ALL YOUR METAL TO FIX IT

this pain. I feel it.

and yeah, I haven't been able to buy this game yet, but judging by the demo, it has a steep difficulty curve. it's really fun to play though, and it gets better as it gets more hectic.

[Hvee]

In my opinion, this game is more difficult than Isaac, and even a bit more challenging than FTL (though in a different way). Spelunky and Risk of Rain are similar in their difficulty, where in both you must rely on the procedural generation if you want to survive. But unlike Spelunky, which takes a lot of time to learn, Risk of Rain's character unlock system could be the only thing that will keep some players going for a long time. The first few characters you can play probably won't be your favorites, which will force you to unlock more before you can beat the game.

In any case, let me tell you, it's wonderfully difficult.

[Plot Seeker]

Spelunky is easy to learn. I also find spelunky much much easier than RoR, mainly because of the time = tougher enemies concept of RoR

[Lewd]

This game is fun, fast paced (forced, but even so) and very challenging. And in a good way, too. When you manage to beat Rainstorm difficulty, I recommend checking out Monsoon. It curves so drastically. And I love it.

[Ћ Abomination Jones]

Oh I'll add this.
Monsoon difficulty -very- much changes how you should play. Either get good item drops and placements or you're already dead.

[QuaziPance]

Originally posted by Gamer_at_heart:

Spelunky is easy to learn. I also find spelunky much much easier than RoR, mainly because of the time = tougher enemies concept of RoR

Yeah, spelunky is definitely more of an "arcade game" in that anyone can figure out how to play it, but only the most skilled will really be able to "master" the game. Where BoI in contrast is very much about learning all of the items/characters/bosses/etc. I think RoR takes the difficulty of both of these and makes for an overall more difficult game. You still have tons of items and item combinations (like in Isaac) but that is combined with the sort of arcade gaming from spelunky (insane reaction times needed to truly master the game).

Of course, all three games are great. If only we could have a collaborative Hopoo/McMillen/Derek Yu game. That game would be great for exploding heads and melting faces.