Why would you use the MK17?

[Luftschutzbunker]

The TAR seems to be better in every way, same with the M4 and the BREN, where is the strength of the MK17?

[Sloth Bro]

I know right? They should redo the accuracy stat system for the weapons so that this thing actually has the best accuracy. It's really not worth so many stars.

[Major Fret]

I've seen the Commando 553 out preform the MK 17 at range due to firerate.

The MK.17 does actually do the most damage (yes, more than the SAR-18 and M4, the bars don't show it) but it's rate of fire is what really kills it.

[Captured Joe]

It uh... it looks kinda nice...

[44sunsets]

Originally posted by The Mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Major Fret:

The MK.17 does actually do the most damage (yes, more than the SAR-18 and M4, the bars don't show it) but it's rate of fire is what really kills it.

THIS.
Unfortunately the way the armour system works in Door Kickers, it rewards weak guns with a high rate of fire, like the FN P90 PDW.

This is because armour penetration is based on chance, so if your gun fires very slowly, it will take a LONG time before you roll correctly and do damage to the enemy juggernaut/Operator Orville.

Mk 17 is exceptionally lethal if it penetrates the body armour, but you have to get a lucky dice roll in order to get through the armour in the first place -- if I recall correctly, the tougher enemies wear armour that is largely resistant to 7.62mm NATO rounds.

Meanwhile, a lot of enemies use weapons that only fire on full auto, so you are automatically at a huge firepower disadvantage. They spam bullets at you like crazy, so it's only a brief matter of time before one of them pierces your body armour and puts you down.

I just don't use the Mk 17 at all. I'd rather use the M4 Carbine or the SIG 553 Commando.

IRL, if a tango was wearing juggernaut-style armour, a puny little SMG isn't going to do anything to him at all, not even headshots.

[Code Blue]

Originally posted by 44sunsets:

IRL, if a tango was wearing juggernaut-style armour, a puny little SMG isn't going to do anything to him at all, not even headshots.

The Juggernaut in DK is not as armored as the ones in COD. The inspiration for Juggernaut Emil is most likely the two robbers from the North Hollywood shootout (one of them being a Romanian named Emil). They don't wear a helmet or some kevlar suit (maybe they do, I can't tell from the sprites), only a level IIIA vest but a weapon with high RPM could still find plenty of weak points and that's precisely what happened IRL. He died after being shot dozens of times in the limbs.

EDIT: I have to make a correction, one of the robbers actually wore homemade body armor that covered his limbs also. But he was not the one who was gunned down by SWAT.

[T-Bone Biggins]

44sunsets nailed it, this game is imbalanced in a small way with favor going to high ROF weapons due to the percentage chance of armor penetration. The Mk17 is just sad in it's current state, in reality there isn't too much difference running a 7.62NATO firearm and a 5.56 one if both are firing semi-auto. Yeah, it kicks a bit more but you can control it in semi-auto even with rapid-fire drills, but instead of tap-tap-tap-tap-tap like I can do with an AR-15 it's sorta like a tap--tap--tap in the same time frame but that is me realigning sights before firing, the AR-15 is much easier to 'walk' to where you want to aim. Still not as bad as the ROF in this game makes it out to be. Dang though I wish I would just splurge and buy an FAL or the new DPMS Gen2, even their Recon model with short gas system and light barrel gets right at 1MOA@100 while most AR's that light struggle to make 1.5MOA and often get around 2MOA.

[44sunsets]

Originally posted by bogdan1807:

The Juggernaut in DK is not as armored as the ones in COD.

Ah I see, you're right, I kept thinking the juggernaut was wearing Level IV armour but Door Kickers only models up to Level III.

Don't juggernauts wear Level III armour with hard plates? Because rifle rounds should go straight through IIIA which is soft body armour.

[edit]
Just looked at the XML files and juggernauts wear "Extended Protection" item, which I believe is the Level III armour, the heaviest in the game at the moment. Stops 60% of rifle hits frontally.

<Parameters protectionInfoText="Handguns, SMGs, Rifles">
<ProtectionArc degrees="90" coveragePercent="60" piercingProtectionLevel="5"/>
<ProtectionArc degrees="270" coveragePercent="30" piercingProtectionLevel="5"/>
<ProtectionArc degrees="360" coveragePercent="45" piercingProtectionLevel="5"/>
</Parameters>


Operator Orville wears the "Raider Vest" which is supposedly Level III as well, but the game gives this significantly less protection, only stops 40% of frontal rifle hits.

<Parameters protectionInfoText="Handguns, SMGs, Rifles">
<ProtectionArc degrees="90" coveragePercent="40" piercingProtectionLevel="5"/>
<ProtectionArc degrees="270" coveragePercent="100" piercingProtectionLevel="0"/>
<ProtectionArc degrees="360" coveragePercent="40" piercingProtectionLevel="5"/>
</Parameters>

Originally posted by bogdan1807:

The Juggernaut in DK is not as armored as the ones in COD. The inspiration for Juggernaut Emil is most likely the two robbers from the North Hollywood shootout (one of them being a Romanian named Emil).

Ah yes I remember reading about North Hollywood -- the police were involved in a close range shootout with him around a car, and eventually they figured out they could duck under the car and shoot his exposed legs/feet.

I think the robber Emil only died because they cuffed him on the ground for over an hour without medical attention -- paramedics were "busy" tending to other wounded.

The other robber shot himself as the police were closing in on him.

Door Kickers doesn't model headshots, which is understandable, though in some situations having the officers go for a headshot would make sense.