IS THE GAME DYING?

[Tuna Sandwich]

Servers are empty, there're no more events and the classic tourneys disappeard. I don't know, maybe there's plenty of noobs? All I know is that I'm a black belt but I can hardly find someone to play with, and It's always some white/yellow belt in public servers. Did I lose something or I'm not the only one who realized this?

[The24thPanzer]

Here is the biggest problem with TB atm. Players with a rank such as yours, and as experience as yourself, create new accounts to play in the lower belt classes. When players such as myself get into one of the rooms, I'm floundering around like a Magicarp against an Onyx, how does this promote the game? People cheat and cheaters win, all the time.

[Headless]

You can't cheat on toribash. it is possible to smurf and use cheap moves like you said. Personaly I think you are right when it comes to people who make alt's to own some new players that shouldnt be done. On the otherside the best way to learn is to play with better players eitherway I understand why you are kinda annoyed just dont let alts get the best of you.

[Arka]

I think the problem is that Toribash is a game with a small community.

There isn't publicity about this game so there aren't a lot of people who know it.

Another fact is that they're a lot of beginner who try the game and Toribash isn't an easy game. So players quit because they don't like to lose and lose and lose. Toribash is a game which you always have to improve yourself and some people want win every single match when they begin.

I think there is an another problem. In Toribash, when you want textures you have to go on the official website. It isn't in the game and that's pretty anoying.

Also you have to understand English and people aren't always understand this language. My English is bad cause it isn't my mothertongue so I'm sorry for all my mistakes ha ha

The conclusion is that it's an unpopular game, difficult and hard to understand that you have to go on the website ti earn money or buy your stuff cheaper. That can be the reason why this game has a really small community

[OneStep]

Using capslock on the headline makes this thread even more dramatic.

[obliviondoll]

1. Game is difficult. It takes a lot of experience to learn.

This point WOULD be counterbalanced by the ranking system, which only matches novice players against novices, and higher-ranked players against one another.

2. Higher-ranked players create new accounts and get put back in the beginner pool.

This is what really breaks things, because you get black belt level players in white and yellow belt rooms, basically just showing off and not needing to try. The new players get destroyed, utterly, with no hope, and the only people having fun are the fake new players who have been around for years.

3. The high ranking matches are low on population, because many players are busy on their "new" accounts.

This just exacerbates the problem. The high-ranking players who want legitimate opponents aren't finding anyone in their rightful place at the top. Because so many players dove back into new characters, the ones who would prefer to stay where they belong and fight fairly are forced to quit or follow suit. Either option reduces the player pool further in the top ranks, and one option adds to the collection of high-ranked players in the wrong end of the matchmaking system.

This has become something of a vicious cycle. It's common to find a room where there's one person abusing their significant experience advantage, and only getting beaten when another experienced player joins on their own low-rank account. Sometimes a lucky shot (or a fast learner) will turn things back on this player, but more often they'll destroy anyone who hasn't already been a black belt or higher.

An extension of this set of problems is the toxic players involved, and the environment they create. On the experienced players' side, you have people saying "I just got the game, it's easy, you just suck" or "yeah, I'm cheating, everyone does it, so what?". The new players have the "I lost, therefore you cheated/hacked" crowd who can't accept that another person (who's been playing for years) could be better than them (on their first day after "beating Uke" by flailing wildly until they get lucky).

I've seen players absolutely convinced that their opponent cheated, while the opponent was explaining exactly how to do what they had done. I've seen obviously-experienced players spam insults at anyone who loses, then run away as soon as it looks like their opponent is something other than a complete pushover. I've had players accuse ME of hacking because "you can't make a tori's arm stay straight like that" (yes, really...). I've had players accuse me of being a paid advertiser for the game (because "nobody could truly enjoy this..." or something).

Sometimes you find smart players - the experienced guys who share advice on how to make your moves look (and work) better, or the new people like me who actually take our time to try and understand what's going on. But those experienced guys quickly get worn down by the weight of all the "no, you're lying, cheater!" and "that's not how the game works, I've fought 20 matches so far (don't admit this is your first opponent who isn't Uke)!" and the new players get buried with piles of "You suck at toribash!" and "You don't deserve this game, it's too good for you" then right before we get to wipe the smirk of the guy's face, he vanishes - sure, he gets a point penalty, and the room gets a laugh at his expense, but it's a shame the win never quite plays out.

[Sunny!]

Originally posted by The24thPanzer:

Here is the biggest problem with TB atm. Players with a rank such as yours, and as experience as yourself, create new accounts to play in the lower belt classes. When players such as myself get into one of the rooms, I'm floundering around like a Magicarp against an Onyx, how does this promote the game? People cheat and cheaters win, all the time.

Well a smurf gave me either 5k or 10k TC for beating him once.
Not even joking.