ASTRA: Knights of Veda

ASTRA: Knights of Veda

CyberCore Mar 29, 2024 @ 6:02am
AntiCheat
Hi anyone knows which anticheat program this game will be using?
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朱利安 Mar 29, 2024 @ 6:40am 
As far as I know Anti-Cheat Expert
Stone IV Mar 29, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by 朱利安:
As far as I know Anti-Cheat Expert

If that's the case....OOOF. Since it is developed by Tencent. Was planning to play this, now, I'll avoid it like a plague.
Slan Mar 30, 2024 @ 4:47am 
Looks like ACE was in the demo indeed, it is concerning since ACE works on the kernel level, good thing you brought this up since it's nowhere to be found in the current EULA.

We would need an official statement on this, did they used it only for the demo or are they planning to use it too for the official game release in few days?

If that's the case, it should be in the EULA.

I'm not even going to talk about EU gdpr regulations about data and the kind of fines you would expose yourself too if you were to install this kind of intrusive stuff without users being aware of it.
Mochi Mar 30, 2024 @ 4:25pm 
It is unfortunately normal to see kernal level anti cheat system. Plus this is a live service game (f2p gacha game) where monetisation is important.

At the moment there is no Kernal anti cheat system that is well adored by any gaming community but it is a necessary evil. Wuthering Waves an anticipated upcoming gacha will also be using Anti-Cheat Expert ut that just how live service gacha games go.

It is unfortunate but the digital age is upon us where privacy is sacrificed for access and security. There is technically a way to bypass putting on your ACE on your machine if you are really concerned about your privacy by using cloud services like 'GeForce Now' to play games instead.
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朱利安 Mar 30, 2024 @ 10:52pm 
Originally posted by Dumpling:
It is unfortunately normal to see kernal level anti cheat system. Plus this is a live service game (f2p gacha game) where monetisation is important.

At the moment there is no Kernal anti cheat system that is well adored by any gaming community but it is a necessary evil. Wuthering Waves an anticipated upcoming gacha will also be using Anti-Cheat Expert ut that just how live service gacha games go.

It is unfortunate but the digital age is upon us where privacy is sacrificed for access and security. There is technically a way to bypass putting on your ACE on your machine if you are really concerned about your privacy by using cloud services like 'GeForce Now' to play games instead.

Yeah, for me this means I will/can not play it as I solely play on my Steam Deck or Linux Gaming Machine. It is a shame as it looks fun...
Last edited by 朱利安; Mar 30, 2024 @ 10:52pm
Slan Mar 31, 2024 @ 1:44am 
Oh yeah i'm well aware there are kernel level anti cheat in many recent games, I usually just don't install them, my main problem here is that there is no transparency about it.

Most titles on steam will publicly display if they use any kind of anti cheat or anti tamper measures, it's usually either in the store page over the langages section or the EULA.

It's nowhere to be found in the case of Knights of Veda, I had to check via steamdb and protondb.

I just think people deserve a bit of transparency, that's it.

I personally will not play the game after learning it has ACE in it, and that's a shame because I was excited about the game.
CyberCore Mar 31, 2024 @ 10:38am 
Thank you very much for your answers.
I was afraid that the game would use ACE.

My biggest problem is that this is the anticheat software from Tencent.
I have no problem with Easy Anticheat or software developed by western companies.
The proximity to the state of Chinese companies is my main concern.

The problem with Geforce Now and other cloud providers is that such games usually appear very late or not at all on the service.

Maybe I really need to try setting up a VM for such games. The anti-cheat software should not be able to get onto the main system through the VM.
Last edited by CyberCore; Mar 31, 2024 @ 10:41am
Slan Mar 31, 2024 @ 10:56am 
Originally posted by CyberCore:
Thank you very much for your answers.
I was afraid that the game would use ACE.

My biggest problem is that this is the anticheat software from Tencent.
I have no problem with Easy Anticheat or software developed by western companies.
The proximity to the state of Chinese companies is my main concern.

The problem with Geforce Now and other cloud providers is that such games usually appear very late or not at all on the service.

Maybe I really need to try setting up a VM for such games. The anti-cheat software should not be able to get onto the main system through the VM.

Apparently the game will be on the google play games beta client, and it runs like it's own VM so it might be smart to install it here to avoid any problem with ACE.

They need to communicate more about these kind of things tbh, the fact that ACE might be running in game but that there's no mention of it on the steam shop page is concerning.

Ideally, it would be nice if some CM could clear things up for us, I've seen one doing a direct stream maybe I'll try to ask here if I'm awake.
CyberCore Mar 31, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
Oh I didn't know about google play games beta.
Is it really the case that the games are then completely isolated from the rest of the system?
Slan Mar 31, 2024 @ 3:07pm 
Originally posted by CyberCore:
Oh I didn't know about google play games beta.
Is it really the case that the games are then completely isolated from the rest of the system?

Yes, it emulates a SVM, Secure Virtual Machine that essentially allow you to recreate what would be an android environment and play some of the android games you would usually find on the google playstore.

Since it's a beta, the library is really limited, you will not find all games available on the playstore, but it's ofently used by arknights and epic seven players since it has amazing performance.

You need to turn on Hyper-V for it to work so be aware of that since it can potentially stop other emulators from working since they usually don't want hyper-v activated (you can easily find some tutorials on youtube if you are confused about this).

And so far, I've checked but the game doesn't seem there yet, so I would wait a bit and check when the game is officially released.
朱利安 Mar 31, 2024 @ 10:32pm 
As this is a "mobile game" it is also available on Android and iOS. The pre-download started today on iOS and I could verify that it has controller support on mobile. (at least I was able to use my controller in the menus)

So for all the people that want to try the game but don't want to install ACE you can try it on mobile with a controller.
Gias Apr 1, 2024 @ 11:01am 
the crazy thing is you can just use a android emulator to play the mobile version on pc without installing a rootkit.

Originally posted by Dumpling:
It is unfortunately normal to see kernal level anti cheat system. Plus this is a live service game (f2p gacha game) where monetisation is important.

At the moment there is no Kernal anti cheat system that is well adored by any gaming community but it is a necessary evil. Wuthering Waves an anticipated upcoming gacha will also be using Anti-Cheat Expert ut that just how live service gacha games go.

It is unfortunate but the digital age is upon us where privacy is sacrificed for access and security. There is technically a way to bypass putting on your ACE on your machine if you are really concerned about your privacy by using cloud services like 'GeForce Now' to play games instead.

rootkits for pc ported mobile games can be bypassed by any amateur by simply playing on emulators like bluestacks/ldplayer. So rootkits cant deserve credit for securing such games. In reality devs do it cause avg player doesnt care and most arent even aware of it while those who know&care already use solutions bypassing the issue.
Neiro Apr 1, 2024 @ 6:11pm 
Originally posted by Gias:
the crazy thing is you can just use a android emulator to play the mobile version on pc without installing a rootkit.

Originally posted by Dumpling:
It is unfortunately normal to see kernal level anti cheat system. Plus this is a live service game (f2p gacha game) where monetisation is important.

At the moment there is no Kernal anti cheat system that is well adored by any gaming community but it is a necessary evil. Wuthering Waves an anticipated upcoming gacha will also be using Anti-Cheat Expert ut that just how live service gacha games go.

It is unfortunate but the digital age is upon us where privacy is sacrificed for access and security. There is technically a way to bypass putting on your ACE on your machine if you are really concerned about your privacy by using cloud services like 'GeForce Now' to play games instead.

rootkits for pc ported mobile games can be bypassed by any amateur by simply playing on emulators like bluestacks/ldplayer. So rootkits cant deserve credit for securing such games. In reality devs do it cause avg player doesnt care and most arent even aware of it while those who know&care already use solutions bypassing the issue.
in the case of bluestacks game said bye bye
DEVILDICE Apr 1, 2024 @ 6:35pm 
Can confirm it uses ACE. It also lingers after uninstall and has to be manually removed.
CyberCore Apr 2, 2024 @ 2:13am 
Before i install Google Play games... is the game there? ^^
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