Freedom Planet
lukwik Aug 31, 2018 @ 2:16pm
CERO rating is broken
Ok. For me it was interesting how this game would be taken in Japan when it would be finally released with subtitles - it was all gone wrong. I just watched one trailer of FP and got high disappointment how they can't rate the video games.

In Japan the video games have these two ratings for the ageline from ALL ages to 12 & up and when comparising to PEGI, CERO, well... it's not really that good...

There's PEGI ratings:
3, 7, 12

Three instead of two rating classifications.
Also I know, I know. FP is rated by PEGI to 12, but I know that some 12+ rated games are A rated in Japan.

Now we have CERO:
A - for all ages
B - for 12 and up

Yeah, this system lack one rating in the middle...

I'm serious here, this game is not the only case. You can see this rating problem in many games which are actually for children (3 or 7, whatever. Still for kids!) in Europe. Every Forza Horizon as well as LEGO games since first Lego Batman onward (except Ninjago games) are for twelves in Japan! To make this more understandable many B rated games are for example - from the fighting genre. How Lego can be comparable to these games, huh?

Freedom Planet is B rated for VIOLENCE and CRIME. Rly? -_- Shouldn't I mention that one platformer for Switch have the B rating with similar reasons just because of the feature which I would called "city tank shooting"? (guess what game)

They are rating games seriously? Just compare electrocutting moments from FP (CERO B) with - no joking - Sonic Unleashed (CERO A)
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ZylpheRenuis Aug 31, 2018 @ 3:21pm 
You should take it up with those who created the rating system. Galaxy Trail cannot change the ratings themselves but they can change their games to either have more themes or lesser depending on what they are focusing on.
More (Adult) themes = much more higher rating. While lessoning it will be more towards the aim of an educational/informative game.

So while the rating system is pretty pants on head dumb in some areas. They are made within reason for the consumer to pick. Take it up with the people who founded it and controls it in your local reagion and give them a piece of your mind.
Gabby  [developer] Aug 31, 2018 @ 4:30pm 
We're perfectly fine with our B rating, E is 10+ and PEGI 12 is 12+, CERO B is 12+ so it's in keeping with every other rating we've gotten. CERO may not have a variance between children and 12, but they are much more varied with teenage years.
Mendinso Aug 31, 2018 @ 9:27pm 
So I need to explain something regarding CERO, since the OP doesn't seem to be aware of this.

Ever since about 2013 or so, CERO's rating policies have gotten a lot stricter in terms of the content that is allowed for an All Ages rating. In fact, I'd argue it's out of touch, when you compare what's still allowed on Children's Television and Movie theaters for general audiences. Either way...

This means certain acts of violence, acts that are considered a "crime", sexual stuff, etc., are now rated a lot harsher compared to pre-2013 (and even prior to CERO's introduction to the lettering system). They also have a list of forbidden content, regardless of the rating.

Super Mario Odyssey's rating is likely less to do with the tanks, and more to do with the Capture system, as CERO may be uncomfortable with the fact you can control things and make them do things against their will. This would likely be a "Crime". The violence may also be because of the fact a couple of the female bosses, you can inflict violence on them, and CERO tends to rate "Violence on Women" a lot harsher. Final Fantasy VI was censored in Japan on GBA because of this, to avoid a B/12+ rating.

As for why Freedom Planet got it? Likely the torture scene, I'm assuming. As for the crime aspect, your characters are technically going against authority figures and stuff, plus some acts they commit in the game may be looked down upon. Sly Cooper games are all rated 12+ because of this very reason.

While it is true Sonic Unleashed got away with some stuff it did, as it was rated prior to 2013, it likely would not anymore. This could be one of the reasons why Sega's a bit reluctant to re-release some of the Sonic games for similar reasons (Amy's skirt would also cause some difficulties, due to in Heroes, you can see her underwear in some shots, and that's not longer consider okay for an All Ages/A game anymore. While editing in game is possible, the CGI cutscenes would be... a problem).

But yeah. B rating? It's fine. Most parent's are less likely to be worried about it. Honestly, if anything, it's more in line with our E10+ rating. Even Layton initially got a B rating for Layton's Mystery Journey game that came out for 3DS and Mobile devices (Switch version is oddly A, so not sure what's up with that). Also, I've seen C/15+ rated games advertised during kids programming in Japan while I was watching some television, and even in some cases, D/17+, so I wouldn't worry too much about this.
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lukwik Sep 1, 2018 @ 12:58am 
Originally posted by {RaD} Zylphe:
You should take it up with those who created the rating system. Galaxy Trail cannot change the ratings themselves but they can change their games to either have more themes or lesser depending on what they are focusing on.
I'm not talking about GalaxyTrail! I actually focusing on CERO organisation and their rating standards.


Originally posted by Mendinso:
Ever since about 2013 or so, CERO's rating policies have gotten a lot stricter in terms of the content that is allowed for an All Ages rating. In fact, I'd argue it's out of touch, when you compare what's still allowed on Children's Television and Movie theaters for general audiences. Either way...
I actually know about that. Smash for Wii U got little visual changes for the Japanese version to keep the A rating. I understand you but they are going to be much more agressive.

And they still rate western games without many mercy.

As I mentioned in the first post, every Forza Horizon is B rated. For crime. Again RLY? Every racing game involving illegal street racing at many kinds, from police chases (I talk here about PEGI 3/7 rated NFS games) to just crashable traffic would be involving serious CRIME. I would notice that first Juiced was A rated thanks to not being actually illegal. Compare this game's CERO rating with western ratings (exept USK) and Korean rating Juiced got.


Originally posted by Mendinso:
As for why Freedom Planet got it? Likely the torture scene, I'm assuming. As for the crime aspect, your characters are technically going against authority figures and stuff, plus some acts they commit in the game may be looked down upon. Sly Cooper games are all rated 12+ because of this very reason.
YOU BETRAYED THE LAW! CONFIRMED: Neera works for CERO


Originally posted by Mendinso:
While it is true Sonic Unleashed got away with some stuff it did, as it was rated prior to 2013, it likely would not anymore. This could be one of the reasons why Sega's a bit reluctant to re-release some of the Sonic games for similar reasons (Amy's skirt would also cause some difficulties, due to in Heroes, you can see her underwear in some shots, and that's not longer consider okay for an All Ages/A game anymore. While editing in game is possible, the CGI cutscenes would be... a problem).
TBH I'm not really about Unleashed. I've just watched the cutscene and compared it to FP. Maybe it would be so dumb to say, but I feel Sonic's electrocutting showed some agony than a-bit-cheesy Lilac's one.

What's about Sonic Heroes is a bit difficult to say. I would be worried if the hand of censorship would touch this game, but also I can't see this game around the B's. Well strangely enough this game and Shadow's game are available in the Japanese PS Store (PS2 Classics for PS3) and still keeps the A rating (especially Shadow) but that's just PS2 release all over again and unfortunately we won't be able to see this game again thanks to the critics and its metascore lower than 75/100.


Originally posted by Mendinso:
But yeah. B rating? It's fine. Most parent's are less likely to be worried about it. Honestly, if anything, it's more in line with our E10+ rating. Even Layton initially got a B rating for Layton's Mystery Journey game that came out for 3DS and Mobile devices (Switch version is oddly A, so not sure what's up with that). Also, I've seen C/15+ rated games advertised during kids programming in Japan while I was watching some television, and even in some cases, D/17+, so I wouldn't worry too much about this.
Explain age verification for the trailers of B rated games on PS Store. Especially all of these LEGO games. Just for twelves and still need AGE VERIFICATION. Also I've never seen younger kids playing or getting these games.

Also both D and Z/18+ require age to buy these games. D games are the lastest category which can be promoted and Z rated games are not typically shown on the store shelves.

Summary: CERO needs additional rating between A and B like 7 in PEGI between 3 and 12. Shouldn't be called A8?
Mendinso Sep 1, 2018 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by lukwik:

Explain age verification for the trailers of B rated games on PS Store. Especially all of these LEGO games. Just for twelves and still need AGE VERIFICATION. Also I've never seen younger kids playing or getting these games.

I've read from stories a friend of mine that kids have been playing B/12+ rated games, and in some cases Z/18+ (but specifically inFamous, which I think CERO was a bit harsh on). As for the age verification on Sony's PSN for 12+ rated games, I honestly don't get it. They're really the only ones to do it. I don't believe Microsoft does it, and Nintendo definitely doesn't do it.

Sony's likely just paranoid, honestly. They've also been always the odd one out when it comes to content on their consoles, even going back to the 90s in Japan. Even games that got an All Ages on Saturn, Sony would require a violence disclaimer on some games released on PS1 (Tomb Raider is a good example). These tactics seem to carry over even today.


Also both D and Z/18+ require age to buy these games. D games are the lastest category which can be promoted and Z rated games are not typically shown on the store shelves.

Now funny story regarding D rated games. I have heard that not every store actually age gates this. Some even have advertised it over the years that you can buy D rated games, regardless of age. Z, though, they're legally obligated not to sell those to minors (unless via guardian/parent). So I'm aware of this.


Summary: CERO needs additional rating between A and B like 7 in PEGI between 3 and 12. Shouldn't be called A8?

A8 or maybe even "A+", which allows for content descriptors to be listed. But I'd be for it.
lukwik Sep 1, 2018 @ 2:39pm 
Originally posted by Mendinso:
I've read from stories a friend of mine that kids have been playing B/12+ rated games, and in some cases Z/18+ (but specifically inFamous, which I think CERO was a bit harsh on). As for the age verification on Sony's PSN for 12+ rated games, I honestly don't get it. They're really the only ones to do it. I don't believe Microsoft does it, and Nintendo definitely doesn't do it.
Well, I have been actually talking about different cases. Not that some kid plays (much) higher games around the family, but when it's about when some shows up outside. Like in the expos, on shelves, etc.

Also I'm not mentioning Microsoft (especially when they're falling in the market after the Xbox ONE) nor Nintendo.


Sony's likely just paranoid, honestly. They've also been always the odd one out when it comes to content on their consoles, even going back to the 90s in Japan. Even games that got an All Ages on Saturn, Sony would require a violence disclaimer on some games released on PS1 (Tomb Raider is a good example). These tactics seem to carry over even today.
I know that before CERO the video games for PlayStation 1/2 had no specific ratings. Just for all or for much older with warning on the front. Similarly Sega provided ratings for their own games and to be honest both systems were actually inconsistent. If CERO had to be founded like ESRB in the 90's maybe it wouldn't be much complicated as today with more years of practice.


A8 or maybe even "A+", which allows for content descriptors to be listed. But I'd be for it.
A+ wouldn't be really convincing with that misunderstandable plus in comparison to A8. This one number should give consumer more attention that the video game with this rating is supposed to be for age in the middle of that gap between A and B. Maybe it's not really that good by just showing recommended age next to the letter on the first plan like before 2006 when numbers where first shown, but how CERO just used first four letters of alphabet by putting A for all and then B for 12's explains how they didn't care about this age gap. Of course this rating would be good with some descriptors depicting some little more amounts of content than for simple A rating, but maybe better will be if we just limit it to only one or two descriptors.

I'm better yet. Why not to start showing content description on an A games?
Maybe Because Of Violent Content
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