Fix key drops??

[Samuel Adams]

Game is enjoyable but is it just me or does having to kill NPCs near a mission that requires a key in a open multiplayer world dumb?? I've been trying to complete The Negotiator for a whole day and I end up either waiting for NPC's to respawn and mindlessly waste time, Or having to ask random people if they have the key. Haven't been able to progress the vendor because of this, this needs more tuning in my opinion.

[Deadpixel]

Honestly, they should have breaching mechanics to make it so almost no door fully requires a key to get in. From there they can have different types of locked doors that are more difficult to breach (normal wood, reinforced, metal, blast, etc). But this would mean having to possibly lug around specialized equipment. Such as allowing shotgun breaches or heavy battering rams that would take up your entire spare primary slot.

This way, if you can't get the key, you have other avenues to get in but countered by costs of space, resources, weight, etc. and the need to plan accordingly.

[Samuel Adams]

That would be an interesting take, we have shotguns in the game. But I don't see the purpose of using them over AR's or Sniper's. Gives them more purpose to use. Using a specific ammo type for shotguns to use breach type to shoot the door knob when key's aren't spawning

[Ares]

Folks never played Tarkov?
Hell, all the valuable loot you can find there, is not exclusively, but most of the time behind locked doors.
Want to do quests? Got to have the key.
The grind level here is far lower than in Tarkov, where quest items disappear until the door closes again.
On the other hand, in EFT, you could find keys in jackets or boxes, not related to a location in itself, it just had a spawn rate of x%, together with other keys (even of other maps) etc.

In this game you can be lucky, my first try on the Negotiator, I didn't have a key, was just walking in and it said quest completed. A friend heard this and sped towards the Bunker to be able to be there in time before the door resets itself. So quests can be done and completed not even owning the key required.

What they need to change in this game is either change the respawn rate of enemies at Hunter's paradise/YBL/Ban Pa OR make the enemies a lot tougher so one person can't just wipe a whole town and hold up many other players to complete quests, find keys or loot.
Personally I'm all for the second option, you won't run & gun at the airfield or at Midnight's Sapphire, which benefits the other players at the same location..

[ArmedGhost-]

Originally posted by Samuel Adams:

Game is enjoyable but is it just me or does having to kill NPCs near a mission that requires a key in a open multiplayer world dumb?? I've been trying to complete The Negotiator for a whole day and I end up either waiting for NPC's to respawn and mindlessly waste time, Or having to ask random people if they have the key. Haven't been able to progress the vendor because of this, this needs more tuning in my opinion.

No it's a great mechanics and makes sense to actually find the key on bodies within that area instead on some random desk *ss end of the map.

This mechanics should not be changed. That's part of the game, looting for keys.

When I am playing with a squad, we have found the key we needed on dead AI on our first try every single time. Just have more patience.

[白色の风车]

there is one time, when i arrived at hunter paradise, i notice all the bots are dead with T-pose
have key in their pocket, all of them. i wonder is it server glitch or someone cheating?

[Samuel Adams]

Instead of being just NPCs that can drop it. It should be able to spawn on a random desk or somewhere in that area. When luck isnt in favor with the drops. I would prefer having other options in finding the key, like I said to not mindlessly walk around wasting time for NPCs to respawn.

[TomOfFinland]

I'm lvl 16 and I have had to use my OWN key only once in a quest. Every other time the doors have been already unlocked. Persistent world makes it pretty easy.

[MadeN3W]

I spent 6 straight hours in sawmill farming for the Office Storage Key. I never got it.

[ArmedGhost-]

Originally posted by Samuel Adams:

Instead of being just NPCs that can drop it. It should be able to spawn on a random desk or somewhere in that area. When luck isnt in favor with the drops. I would prefer having other options in finding the key, like I said to not mindlessly walk around wasting time for NPCs to respawn.

absolutely the f*ck not.

The mechanics for having to search AI pockets for keys is far better than having to search for some random *ss deck.

[Samuel Adams]

Clearly luck has been good to you, to some it hasnt. Should have more options than wasting time waiting for NPCs to respawn. I don't want to spend time camping in an area just for a key, as to where hostile enemy teams can show up and I end up losing my kit over a dumb key. Not saying to remove looting NPCs for keys but to have more than just that.

[Ares]

Originally posted by Samuel Adams:

Clearly luck has been good to you, to some it hasnt. Should have more options than wasting time waiting for NPCs to respawn. I don't want to spend time camping in an area just for a key, as to where hostile enemy teams can show up and I end up losing my kit over a dumb key. Not saying to remove looting NPCs for keys but to have more than just that.

Drop rate should go up indeed, especially those needed for quests.

The generator key at Bunker is another rare one, door has been open one time while I didn't have the quest yet, been stuck in my quest list for ages now.
Another rare key to drop is the Elderly Hut key, you need it for Lab Rat, luckily I watched a vid showing how to get in by jumping on boxes to get into the window from the back.
The fact there is a vid on youtube, shows other players are experiencing the same low drop rate as well.

It's just bad game design, just like having to kill a boss in a squad of 4, 4 times.
Same goes for quest items, etc..
You just can't make this up.
I love the game concept but the devs need to rethink a lot of things, as they feel like the most illogical thing to come up with.

[Ilindrael]

I haven’t gotten a single key required for task completion and have only progressed through someone else opening the doors. YBL office + generator, Sawmill Office Storage, Ban Pa Elder Room. Overall, I’d also like to see drop rate increased, since the current dynamic leads to tasks becoming very tedious.

Related: One of the nice things about PvE servers is being able to ask members of any faction for assistance, whereas you’d be killing each other in PvP.

[Jesus_Guy]

Honestly is seems like the keys seemed to drop more in the first few days. i have all hte start area keys, all HP keys, all the bunker keys... and then the next week came and i have found 1 in each other area i didn't list. "Loot" keys should be rare, but quest keys,, hell even tarkov you can barter a trader for a quest key.

[Mic]

No keys at all, can't finish tasks without em. Something needs to be done to fix this!

[Ares]

Finally, I was able to walk in the Saw Mill office storage, pick up the canister and deliver it at Handshake, only to be presented with the same at Blue Lagoon.
Before I could go for the canister at BL, a network error occurred, turned out my whole internet was down consequently for 20 min. Reconnect didn't work (it never does) so I had to quit the game.
Logging in the next day, showed every quest resetted and lost all my gear on me, including the canister quest so here I am again, back at the SM...

Asked around, seems everyone has all the keys I have, multiple times, except all those needed for quests. Just like Ilindrael, the only way I was able to complete the Negotiator, the Lab Rat quest (jump into window), Generator Bunker quest, Handshake Canister quest was by pure luck.
Since any key-bound incomplete quest holds back other quests, this is something that needs to be fixed asap. You can't let people progress based on 100% luck since the drop rate seems to be multiple times lower than the drop rate of all the other keys.

So far, I've found the Negotiator YBL Office2 open a lot of times I went there.
The YBL Generator Room open x 2
The SM Office Weapon Storage open x 1
The BP Elder Hut open 0 times.