PvE mode needs to be removed

[ZigZag]

if you want a ruthless game like Tarkov, there needs to be no option to escape from PvEvP

also PvP should be introduced from day 1, you shouldn't be forced to do a million quests to get to it

[UnwieldyRex]

Originally posted by ˟¤ΞÁćŢíVíŞíóŃΞ¤˟:

People farm gear on PvE and then join PvP servers, thats not right, at all!

Devs have already ackowledged this and have announced that if it's abuse become too "mainstream", if you will, then they will enforce different "entities", if you will, between the two servers, so inventories would become non-shareable.

Most people on PVE are there because they're tired of the rampant bullcrap that is teamkilling and LZ camping. If it weren't for that, it seems quite of bit of PVE players would gladly switch back permanently. Then there are people like me who actually want to enjoy the game. I suck at most shooters so PVP would mean dying every time I land; as a result, I play PVE because it rules out my day being constantly ruined by gigachads that have nothing better to do than to play a game 14 hours a day.

[ZigZag]

Originally posted by Lector:

As a family man who has a very busy life and cant spend all day playing games to get good, i prefer PvE.

You don't have to be good, you always have the option to be a rat if you want to avoid PvP scenarios.

Nobody is forcing you to engage in PvP if you don't want to, but that does mean you have to use your noggin to try and survive.

That's the beauty of PvEvP, is that both PvE and PvP are blended in and it's all on you to simply survive or hunt.

[Staquix]

Originally posted by Grizz_FMJ:

This is an absurd post. PvE is fine and some prefer PvE. They paid for the game that offered such an option. Who tf are you to say they can't have it ? Get a life buddy.

Agreed, I bought the game solely for PvE.

[Sega]

who is gonna tell him tarkov have PVE servers now?

[Tr3m0r]

I can’t help but think modders and hackers mainly are the ones motivated to get rid of PvE since it definitely makes for less trolling and disruption of a games success. There’s no doubt in my mind that the success of this game is very much tied to the success of PvE implementation. It almost certainly extends the longevity of the game in my opinion because it’s not going to be infested with griefers.

[ZigZag]

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

I can’t help but think modders and hackers mainly are the ones motivated to get rid of PvE since it definitely makes for less trolling and disruption of a games success. There’s no doubt in my mind that the success of this game is very much tied to the success of PvE implementation. It almost certainly extends the longevity of the game in my opinion because it’s not going to be infested with griefers.

You think killing bots is that fun huh? Ok bud, we'll see about that.

I bet most people who are playing this game are grinding thinking they're going to have a good PvP experience later on.

Oh boy are they in for a sad surprise.

The PvE players are tourists, they're here now, they'll be gone after the first wipe ~6 months. They'll move on to a different game. Without forcing PvEvP (with solid adrenaline pumping PvP) this game is for tourists and will be dead after the first wipe - just like any other PvE shooter.

[Icevenom]

Originally posted by コツメカワウソ Asian Otter:

Originally posted by Icevenom:

Dunno man.. OP wants to remove 50% of this games selling point altogether..
And you sound like you want to dunk on noobs.

What's the problem with farming in PvE? You CAN do it too.. and if you are better you will ♥♥♥♥ on the other guy just the same and get better gear of him.

Because some people aren't going to like the loop and meta of farming in PvE? The entire point of a game like Tarkov is the unexpected nature of PVP at any moment, when you have all PVP interactions being people who explicitly only go in geared up and looking for it it ruins a lot of the magic of the system.

I would think that the easiest solution is just separating progress on the two.

Granted.. but at this point i'd just stick with Tarkov tbh.
It is the better game (at least for now) horrible business model or not..
This game's whole point is the very 'less hardcore nature' you guys dislike imo.

[カミナ]

Originally posted by Icevenom:

Originally posted by コツメカワウソ Asian Otter:

Because some people aren't going to like the loop and meta of farming in PvE? The entire point of a game like Tarkov is the unexpected nature of PVP at any moment, when you have all PVP interactions being people who explicitly only go in geared up and looking for it it ruins a lot of the magic of the system.

I would think that the easiest solution is just separating progress on the two.

Granted.. but at this point i'd just stick with Tarkov tbh.
It is the better game (at least for now) horrible business model or not..
This game's whole point is the very 'less hardcore nature' you guys dislike imo.

At this point honestly neither tarkov nor this game are doing it for me. ;/

[Clueless]

There are two game modes, pvppve and pve .. no one forces anyone into either mode .. you want all to go play the pvp mode, fine, you buy everyone a copy of the game , and pay them an hourly rate then you dictate how they shoudl play it .. till then, bye bye dont slam the door on your way out

[󠁳]

is this game marketed as a hardcore, high risk high reward, pvp fest?
to my understanding this game is mainly a pve game with a side of pvp

the starter towns are to learn/get used to the game, which again, is focused on pve
they are also not safe from pvp, its just pointless to because the players running around dont know whats going on and their loot is going to be worthless, easier kills than bots

and i cant remember how many starter tasks there were, but if you understand how to walk forward and kill things before they kill you then you complete them all faster than your brain can form memories of them
so if you get done with them, good job, you know exactly where players are, at their own starter town, go do pvp, or you go to hunters paradise or ybl, early tasks that always have pvp now

[Demolition]

Originally posted by ZigZag:

if you want a ruthless game like Tarkov, there needs to be no option to escape from PvEvP

also PvP should be introduced from day 1, you shouldn't be forced to do a million quests to get to it

No thank you, i don't want Tarkov 2.0 :)

[Icevenom]

Originally posted by コツメカワウソ Asian Otter:

Originally posted by Icevenom:

Granted.. but at this point i'd just stick with Tarkov tbh.
It is the better game (at least for now) horrible business model or not..
This game's whole point is the very 'less hardcore nature' you guys dislike imo.

At this point honestly neither tarkov nor this game are doing it for me. ;/

I'm waiting for GZ to expand the loot pool by.. a LOT.. add more things too do and a lot more guns and i am going to have fun.
If cheaters get too egregious i just retreat in PvE.
As far as this situation is concerned i'll maintain that if the community deems it necessary progression tracks should be separate, won't oppose it.

[UnwieldyRex]

Originally posted by ZigZag:

The PvE players are tourists, they're here now, they'll be gone after the first wipe ~6 months. They'll move on to a different game. Without forcing PvEvP (with solid adrenaline pumping PvP) this game is for tourists and will be dead after the first wipe - just like any other PvE shooter.

You obviously never played Rust or DayZ on a 3rd party PVE server. Those players do IN FACT, keep coming back if the game is good enough; when most people of these games leave a server it's either A) because the server got discontinued, B) a change in the moderators that makes things become toxic, or C) a change in the server mod files that makes the grind unreasonable. Keep in mind with these games, the servers typically wipe anywhere from 2 weeks to every 3 months, and they have NO questing, and only sense of progression comes from expanding the base.

If these "tourist players" leave after the first wipe, it's them not really enjoying the game to begin with. I would gladly, as a "tourist" PVE main, keep coming back.

[Tr3m0r]

Originally posted by ZigZag:

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

I can’t help but think modders and hackers mainly are the ones motivated to get rid of PvE since it definitely makes for less trolling and disruption of a games success. There’s no doubt in my mind that the success of this game is very much tied to the success of PvE implementation. It almost certainly extends the longevity of the game in my opinion because it’s not going to be infested with griefers.

You think killing bots is that fun huh? Ok bud, we'll see about that.

I bet most people who are playing this game are grinding thinking they're going to have a good PvP experience later on.

Oh boy are they in for a sad surprise.

The PvE players are tourists, they're here now, they'll be gone after the first wipe ~6 months. They'll move on to a different game. Without forcing PvEvP (with solid adrenaline pumping PvP) this game is for tourists and will be dead after the first wipe - just like any other PvE shooter.

Yeah but your words don’t impact me in a negative way. I’m absolutely a casual player. If the game keeps good systems in place and modders don’t take over the world I’ll easily invest more time in PvP with some friends but this isn’t a game I try hard in. Anyone knows the game success revolves around accessibility and as a former try hard CSGO and fighting game player I also know it revolves around high skill ceilings first and foremost. But then if it’s done correctly it travels down to a much larger pool of casuals. Every good competitive game is like that.

If you are so confident that the PvE will be abandoned due to tourists then you should be happy as that would just have them remove the mode and focus on others. I definitely don’t see any chance of that personally. And regarding your “bots” comment I actually am really excited for the day Ai takes over most need for human vs human online multiplayer as the ai will not only be superior, will also be able to adjust their level of competition on an individual basis based on each players unique abilities and perspective.

[Kleber]

the only thing i would argue that needs to be done is having seperated Profiles/Characters for both Gamemodes, u could easily gear urself up in PvE and than go wild in PvP (atleast if u have skill lmao) there shouldnt be option for a player to switch freely around those modes with a full stash of op gear.

also if they would do that they could also make PvE more player friendly, like marking players of other factions on the map or increasing the amount of max. Helis/Faction-

easy solution, i dont know why PvE and PvP fans are fighting like some childs in here lmao.