7.62x39 vs 5.56x45

[Mo_is_here]

why is 7.62x39 has less damage in this game, than 5.56x45.
both are AP. even with FMJ, 5.56x45 kills faster!

[-=312th=- Tantrix]

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

why is 7.62x39 has less damage in this game, than 5.56x45.
both are AP. even with FMJ, 5.56x45 kills faster!

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

[MustardTiger]

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

why is 7.62x39 has less damage in this game, than 5.56x45.
both are AP. even with FMJ, 5.56x45 kills faster!

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

[-=312th=- Tantrix]

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

Oh no doubt, unless you crank it up to 7.62x51

[Mo_is_here]

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

ah!! maybe it's why 5.56x45 kills faster!

[Mo_is_here]

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

Oh no doubt, unless you crank it up to 7.62x51

anything semi auto use that? :D

[-=312th=- Tantrix]

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Oh no doubt, unless you crank it up to 7.62x51

anything semi auto use that? :D

Not to my knowledge, unless they sneak an FAL or something similar in there later.

[MustardTiger]

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

ah!! maybe it's why 5.56x45 kills faster!

It should be but TBH I remember hitting a shirtless enemy with a 6 round burst at point blank with 7.62x39 and he didn't die lol there are bugs also

[-=312th=- Tantrix]

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

ah!! maybe it's why 5.56x45 kills faster!

It should be but TBH I remember hitting a shirtless enemy with a 6 round burst at point blank with 7.62x39 and he didn't die lol there are bugs also

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 😂

[Freight_Train]

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

It should be but TBH I remember hitting a shirtless enemy with a 6 round burst at point blank with 7.62x39 and he didn't die lol there are bugs also

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 😂

They will WONK ON about their damage model that is based on bleeding out and how you have to get a head or heart shot to drop someone, but of course that is missing the REST of the sentence. As in .... 'in order to drop someone IN THIS GAME' because in real life, there is no way a dude wearing his SKIN for chest armor is taking 3 AK shots in the chest and keeping his feet, pushing up on you, shooting back. It's never happened once IRL.
Never mind that in this game that might not be 3 shots, it might be 12 or the whole damn mag, and the stupid TANNED SKIN ARMOR is still somehow keeping him on his feet.

There are things(both offensive and defensive) COMPLETELY BUGGED with the AI in the starter town; the game actually gets more realistic past that. But that is the early game experience, and it shouldn't be HARDER, it should be EASIER. Difficulty is kind of backwards scaling right now. The game starts out too hard in many unfair ways, and then gets almost too easy once you have gear and are venturing past starter town.

You can't have a MILSIM and also have comically ridiculous bullet sponges. You have to pick one. And people HATE The Division, so you really shouldn't pick bullet sponges no matter what.

[Mo_is_here]

Originally posted by Freight_Train:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 😂

They will WONK ON about their damage model that is based on bleeding out and how you have to get a head or heart shot to drop someone, but of course that is missing the REST of the sentence. As in .... 'in order to drop someone IN THIS GAME' because in real life, there is no way a dude wearing his SKIN for chest armor is taking 3 AK shots in the chest and keeping his feet, pushing up on you, shooting back. It's never happened once IRL.
Never mind that in this game that might not be 3 shots, it might be 12 or the whole damn mag, and the stupid TANNED SKIN ARMOR is still somehow keeping him on his feet.

There are things(both offensive and defensive) COMPLETELY BUGGED with the AI in the starter town; the game actually gets more realistic past that. But that is the early game experience, and it shouldn't be HARDER, it should be EASIER. Difficulty is kind of backwards scaling right now. The game starts out too hard in many unfair ways, and then gets almost too easy once you have gear and are venturing past starter town.

You can't have a MILSIM and also have comically ridiculous bullet sponges. You have to pick one. And people HATE The Division, so you really shouldn't pick bullet sponges no matter what.

"let's get rich before giving out the next update", Devs said.
"forget about logical thinking in this game".
"before it's too late".

[Manhattan]

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

why is 7.62x39 has less damage in this game, than 5.56x45.
both are AP. even with FMJ, 5.56x45 kills faster!

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

I love using the 5.56x45 weapons. They are very good quarter and distance head shot guns. They were my favorite gun until I started being able to buy better Ar-15s

[PRSK]

5.56x45 is even better than 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R which is crazy but with 54R AP you need more chest shots than with 5.56 AP...

Just take a loot at them.
https://i.imgur.com/6vu0WaS.jpeg

[Ghannon]

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Originally posted by Mo_is_here:

why is 7.62x39 has less damage in this game, than 5.56x45.
both are AP. even with FMJ, 5.56x45 kills faster!

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

7.62 is not any less accurate than 5.56 in real life. The difference in accuracy comes down to the skill of the shooter when handling a greater recoil.

Originally posted by MustardTiger:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Devs didn't do their research on ballistics. 7.62x39 hits harder and has more recoil but is less accurate. 5.56x45 doesn't hit as hard but has less recoil and is more accurate. This is of course real-life performance of these calibers vs a video game.

556 has better armour penetration than 7.62x39

I hope you are talking about in game performance. In real life, the 5.56 has struggled against both unarmored and armored targets. The 5.56 round also has a long history of under performance in extreme temperature environments and dense foliage.

The primary reason that the US military developed the 5.56 was so that a soldier could carry more ammo at once, but at the time, body armor was far less of a concern than it is today. The US military has long planned to replace the round with a larger 5.8, 6.5, or 6.8. Bureaucrats who keep getting in the way are more concerned with the cost and logistics than they are combat effectiveness.

[Ghannon]

Originally posted by Freight_Train:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 😂

They will WONK ON about their damage model that is based on bleeding out and how you have to get a head or heart shot to drop someone, but of course that is missing the REST of the sentence. As in .... 'in order to drop someone IN THIS GAME' because in real life, there is no way a dude wearing his SKIN for chest armor is taking 3 AK shots in the chest and keeping his feet, pushing up on you, shooting back. It's never happened once IRL.
Never mind that in this game that might not be 3 shots, it might be 12 or the whole damn mag, and the stupid TANNED SKIN ARMOR is still somehow keeping him on his feet.

There are things(both offensive and defensive) COMPLETELY BUGGED with the AI in the starter town; the game actually gets more realistic past that. But that is the early game experience, and it shouldn't be HARDER, it should be EASIER. Difficulty is kind of backwards scaling right now. The game starts out too hard in many unfair ways, and then gets almost too easy once you have gear and are venturing past starter town.

You can't have a MILSIM and also have comically ridiculous bullet sponges. You have to pick one. And people HATE The Division, so you really shouldn't pick bullet sponges no matter what.

It has happened. Mike Day was shot 27 times at CQC distance but managed to win the fight and limp himself out. The caliber that he was shot with was 7.62.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_HjUiLikQY

[UziLover]

Originally posted by Freight_Train:

Originally posted by -=312th=- Tantrix:

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. 😂

You can't have a MILSIM and also have comically ridiculous bullet sponges. You have to pick one. And people HATE The Division, so you really shouldn't pick bullet sponges no matter what.

this nails the problem exactly