Why does so many people love Nod and / or Kane?

[Menkerot]

Very frequent question on places like reddit which amuses me to no end. What so many people don't understand is that people playing bad guys seldom associate themselves with them. If you like Darth Vader and agent Smith, you don't necessarily behave like them, do you.

I like Nod both gameplay and aesthetics wise. As many pointed out, GDI is just your standard military of today with brown boxes while Nod is so cool with religious, mystical and at times impractical but beautiful elements, and everything is red and black. But plot wise I am not sure that many people love them being religious fanatics and terrorists. What is your opinion?

[Satekoi]

Do you follow GDI, who will abandon you, if Tiberium grow near your home town, and will not send any support to your family. So no food or medicine your family.

Do you follow Brotherhood, who is happy to send any support to your family. But you must then support they's war.

[Nobody]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Satekoi:

Do you follow GDI, who will abandon you, if Tiberium grow near your home town, and will not send any support to your family. So no food or medicine your family.

Do you follow Brotherhood, who is happy to send any support to your family. But you must then support they's war.

Unironically nod is a cult but its not all black and white.
They are known to provide aid and help.
Yeah sure they might make you a zone runner with 14 but they will feed and protect your family in return.

[Cat]

GDI is like the world's government and Nod is just rallying people who were "left out" and oppressed. Nod provide aid in third world countries whereas GDI is more concerned about big countries so to some people in the third world or anti-westerners, they see GDI as elitist oppressors while Nod has been spreading propaganda and supplies (including weapons).

In the first war, Nod is seen helping a village fight a civil war to sway them, Seth orders you to liberate key influential leaders from a GDI prison, create false propaganda that paints GDI as murderers while Nod are seen as the heroes.

And Kane is charismatic where Nod followers were like worshipping him as a messiah. Even real C&C fans are obsessed and simping about him. I used to have a collection of joe kucan's pics in my myspace lol.

[Mr.Kill]

GDI is loved because people like seeing building sized tanks destroy things. GDI will always be totally freaking destruction. Who wrecks scrin? It's GDI. Who can blow up the temple of nod in two different ways? GDI. Who has giant walkers and sonic waves that completely melt everything on the ground? GDI.

NOD is liked because people like lasers and the glorious actor/real life messiah that is Joe Kucan. Even set backs like getting ambushed by your own forces sound cool when you are NOD. No faction gives you suicide missions like attacking the pentagon. No faction has ever killed Stalin except nod (technically non-canon).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ☁| Cloud |☁:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Satekoi:

Do you follow GDI, who will abandon you, if Tiberium grow near your home town, and will not send any support to your family. So no food or medicine your family.

Do you follow Brotherhood, who is happy to send any support to your family. But you must then support they's war.

Unironically nod is a cult but its not all black and white.
They are known to provide aid and help.
Yeah sure they might make you a zone runner with 14 but they will feed and protect your family in return.

They're also the ones typically responsible for having the tiberium grow into your town and causing you to have to work for them. But I mean it was either that or no cool franchise with base building and big battles.

[Rootbeer Safety Team]

The world in the 2nd and 3rd Tiberium wars (Tiberian sun thru CNC3) is a ****hole where the planet is being killed by an alien substance infestation, and most world governments have collapsed and been subsumed by the Dark Brandon UN,

and the places that havent joined the GDI, have joined a militarized death cult.

There are no good guys in the Tiberian universe. Its all pretty bad.

[darkblade]

While the GDI only concentrates on its beloved blue zones and only protects rich people and sponsors, the normal people in the yellow zones are left to die.

Every now and then the GDI helps, but that's far too little, and they always make questionable decisions because of budget cuts, etc.

So while gdi doesn't do anything, nod helps the people in the yellow zones, yes it's somehow manupulative but nod gives people hope, eat, a safe place, etc.

Even if Nod is always portrayed as evil "definitely not by me" it always depends on the perspective

[Mr.Kill]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

While the GDI only concentrates on its beloved blue zones and only protects rich people and sponsors, the normal people in the yellow zones are left to die.

Every now and then the GDI helps, but that's far too little, and they always make questionable decisions because of budget cuts, etc.

So while gdi doesn't do anything, nod helps the people in the yellow zones, yes it's somehow manupulative but nod gives people hope, eat, a safe place, etc.

Even if Nod is always portrayed as evil "definitely not by me" it always depends on the perspective

The reason why GDI can't help in yellow zones is because NOD blows them up though.

[darkblade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr.Kill:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

While the GDI only concentrates on its beloved blue zones and only protects rich people and sponsors, the normal people in the yellow zones are left to die.

Every now and then the GDI helps, but that's far too little, and they always make questionable decisions because of budget cuts, etc.

So while gdi doesn't do anything, nod helps the people in the yellow zones, yes it's somehow manupulative but nod gives people hope, eat, a safe place, etc.

Even if Nod is always portrayed as evil "definitely not by me" it always depends on the perspective

The reason why GDI can't help in yellow zones is because NOD blows them up though.

Yes, that's what happens when you underestimate your opponent, drastically cut the military budget and only focus on the destruction of Tiberium.

You also have to keep in mind that Nod was very scattered, especially after firestorm, and was ultimately much weaker than ever before. At the latest, the GDI would have had the opportunity to help the people, but unfortunately they didn't and only focused on the blue zones.

(during tiberium sun we saw that the GDI helped the civilians and mutants, after that these two groups would hardly be taken care of anymore)

After that, even the slightest NOD propaganda caused the civilians to rise up against the GDI, as you can clearly see in Kane's Wrath in the first mission.

I think if the GDI had cared a lot more about such things, Nod would never have become so strong, but the reason why that isn't possible is because the GDI is mainly financed by sponsors, they just have to have a good image because otherwise they would Lose financial help from the sponsors, if they had the budget like the US military, ideally also from all of Europe and were a "united world army" and not dependent on sponsors etc. and could make their own decisions, the GDI would be so much stronger.

Good examples are the Mamut MK2 project, which was canceled because it was too expensive and the GDI thought Nod was almost extinct anyway.

The A-Sat system was built on the ground and felt like it wasn't properly guarded, it was only thanks to this mistake that NOD was able to destroy the space station

So many bases around the world shut down, again due to lack of money

The Steel Talons were not properly financed because they considered this branch of the army to be too expensive and unnecessary.

and so much more, just because someone (politicians, sponsors, etc. had to interfere in military matters), if the GDI had been allowed to determine all of this themselves with veterans from the last war, it would never have gotten to that point.

By the way, this isn't just a theory of mine, it's stated in the secret service entries

[Mr.Kill]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr.Kill:

The reason why GDI can't help in yellow zones is because NOD blows them up though.

Yes, that's what happens when you underestimate your opponent, drastically cut the military budget and only focus on the destruction of Tiberium.

You also have to keep in mind that Nod was very scattered, especially after firestorm, and was ultimately much weaker than ever before. At the latest, the GDI would have had the opportunity to help the people, but unfortunately they didn't and only focused on the blue zones.

(during tiberium sun we saw that the GDI helped the civilians and mutants, after that these two groups would hardly be taken care of anymore)

After that, even the slightest NOD propaganda caused the civilians to rise up against the GDI, as you can clearly see in Kane's Wrath in the first mission.

I think if the GDI had cared a lot more about such things, Nod would never have become so strong, but the reason why that isn't possible is because the GDI is mainly financed by sponsors, they just have to have a good image because otherwise they would Lose financial help from the sponsors, if they had the budget like the US military, ideally also from all of Europe and were a "united world army" and not dependent on sponsors etc. and could make their own decisions, the GDI would be so much stronger.

Good examples are the Mamut MK2 project, which was canceled because it was too expensive and the GDI thought Nod was almost extinct anyway.

The A-Sat system was built on the ground and felt like it wasn't properly guarded, it was only thanks to this mistake that NOD was able to destroy the space station

So many bases around the world shut down, again due to lack of money

The Steel Talons were not properly financed because they considered this branch of the army to be too expensive and unnecessary.

and so much more, just because someone (politicians, sponsors, etc. had to interfere in military matters), if the GDI had been allowed to determine all of this themselves with veterans from the last war, it would never have gotten to that point.

By the way, this isn't just a theory of mine, it's stated in the secret service entries

Yeah the EA mandated lore got more and more disappointing with time. IIRC C&C 3 basically just wrote off the entire mutant faction and stated all of them just died offscreen leaving only just marauders. And the less said about C&C 4's lore (GDI run so badly they basically just accept NOD's help and then have a civil war for the first time in the entire series, also somehow the mutants become a mechanized with actual mechs force that threatens the world also Scrin apparently die on their way back to their home planet) the better.

Not to mention its contradictory anyway. GDI loses its funding and only cares about blue zones... absolutely crushes Scrin and is the biggest threat on the planet. Steel Talons don't have the funding and suddenly the walkers that were used worldwide were just expensive to maintain at a mere 200 bucks more cost than a predator and wolverine also 200 bucks more expensive than the APC (but at least the APC is more versatile so that actually seems to make sense). Also GDI always had a hovercraft with AA guns (because apparently bringing back the one with rocket launchers was too difficult)

Then there's the really stupid and nonsensical decisions such as removing the disruptor tank which was treaded and then putting them on hover chasis... you know the thing you use to kill tiberium overgrowth... the same one that causes ion storms that SHUTOFF hover chassis? EA's writers just kinda forgot about a lot of important details which is why we don't really get the answers in C&C 3.

[Menkerot]

CnC3 lore was rather rewritten in many ways. For example, in 1-2 games the world was almost eaten up by tiberium while in 3 it's not that bad, hence cut out mutants, for instance. But they brought back some ideas in Kane's Wrath however.

[darkblade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr.Kill:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

Yes, that's what happens when you underestimate your opponent, drastically cut the military budget and only focus on the destruction of Tiberium.

You also have to keep in mind that Nod was very scattered, especially after firestorm, and was ultimately much weaker than ever before. At the latest, the GDI would have had the opportunity to help the people, but unfortunately they didn't and only focused on the blue zones.

(during tiberium sun we saw that the GDI helped the civilians and mutants, after that these two groups would hardly be taken care of anymore)

After that, even the slightest NOD propaganda caused the civilians to rise up against the GDI, as you can clearly see in Kane's Wrath in the first mission.

I think if the GDI had cared a lot more about such things, Nod would never have become so strong, but the reason why that isn't possible is because the GDI is mainly financed by sponsors, they just have to have a good image because otherwise they would Lose financial help from the sponsors, if they had the budget like the US military, ideally also from all of Europe and were a "united world army" and not dependent on sponsors etc. and could make their own decisions, the GDI would be so much stronger.

Good examples are the Mamut MK2 project, which was canceled because it was too expensive and the GDI thought Nod was almost extinct anyway.

The A-Sat system was built on the ground and felt like it wasn't properly guarded, it was only thanks to this mistake that NOD was able to destroy the space station

So many bases around the world shut down, again due to lack of money

The Steel Talons were not properly financed because they considered this branch of the army to be too expensive and unnecessary.

and so much more, just because someone (politicians, sponsors, etc. had to interfere in military matters), if the GDI had been allowed to determine all of this themselves with veterans from the last war, it would never have gotten to that point.

By the way, this isn't just a theory of mine, it's stated in the secret service entries

Yeah the EA mandated lore got more and more disappointing with time. IIRC C&C 3 basically just wrote off the entire mutant faction and stated all of them just died offscreen leaving only just marauders. And the less said about C&C 4's lore (GDI run so badly they basically just accept NOD's help and then have a civil war for the first time in the entire series, also somehow the mutants become a mechanized with actual mechs force that threatens the world also Scrin apparently die on their way back to their home planet) the better.

Not to mention its contradictory anyway. GDI loses its funding and only cares about blue zones... absolutely crushes Scrin and is the biggest threat on the planet. Steel Talons don't have the funding and suddenly the walkers that were used worldwide were just expensive to maintain at a mere 200 bucks more cost than a predator and wolverine also 200 bucks more expensive than the APC (but at least the APC is more versatile so that actually seems to make sense). Also GDI always had a hovercraft with AA guns (because apparently bringing back the one with rocket launchers was too difficult)

Then there's the really stupid and nonsensical decisions such as removing the disruptor tank which was treaded and then putting them on hover chasis... you know the thing you use to kill tiberium overgrowth... the same one that causes ion storms that SHUTOFF hover chassis? EA's writers just kinda forgot about a lot of important details which is why we don't really get the answers in C&C 3.

Yes, I agree, the GDI is giving up the disruptor tank because once again there were too many production costs, the sonic crystals were used in sonic fences to control the Tiberium.

and then developing the zoneshatterer is just cheeky (even though it's actually good).

The walkers are abandoned because commandos can blow up their legs, what does NOD do? **** you GDI we are building a super combat walker and equipping it with flamethrowers so that no commandos can get to it.

In addition, in C&C4 (it's better not to think about it)

Your superior kills your wife so that you don't betray the GDI and shoots you in the end, great GDI why do they always hire the stupidest people there are.



That's why NOD is simply 1000% better than GDI.

[Mr.Kill]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

That's why NOD is simply 1000% better than GDI.

You mean westwood is 1000000000000% better than EA but that goes without saying.

[Sethreal]

Kane is a very mysterious and enigmatic figure that goes back to biblical times. That is fun high-level sci-fi. Doesn't hurt he's played by a charismatic dude. PEACE THROUGH POWER!

[darkblade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mr.Kill:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย darkblade:

That's why NOD is simply 1000% better than GDI.

You mean westwood is 1000000000000% better than EA but that goes without saying.

I don't think I need to mention this because it's so obvious

[Menkerot]

Which it's not even in the slightest tho