Unfinished Business is in the wrong order?

[Montii]

i booted up the extra levels from tomb raider 1 "unfinished business" and i started the levels in the wrong order (Atlantean Stronghold, The Hive, Return to Egypt, Temple of the Cat) on the beginning i thought it was intentional but no the moment u get to egypt they take away the weapons u got in previous levels. is it just me or did anyone else also experience this.

[Salander]

It's in the correct order now, given how the Atlantis levels are an aftermath of the main game and they start as soon as that finishes.

The return to Egypt happens after some time has passed.

[Valiento]

It’s based on original planned developmental order not original release order.

[Charli]

@Salander @Valiento ah, thanks for clearing this up. I was also confused why order was changed :)

[Montii]

Originally posted by Salander:

It's in the correct order now, given how the Atlantis levels are an aftermath of the main game and they start as soon as that finishes.

The return to Egypt happens after some time has passed.

what makes me doubt that is the fact i got the achievement for finishing the additional levels after only beating the atlantis area and the fact u dont get to keep the weapons u got in atlantis

[OpossumForce.Luke]

I'd have preferred if they kept the release order, but took away the weapons at the beginning of the Atlantean levels to address the difficulty issues. Maybe they can add this as a "New Game+" mode in a future patch.

[Unlock Liberty]

Lara also loses all inventory upon Return to Egypt in the remaster, but surely that's not intended?

[Salander]

It makes sense given how it takes place several months after the main game's ending. Not only that but the main characters ditching their new weapons between adventures is a pretty common trope (like Dante from DMC ditching all the demon weapons).

Although I don't know how it was in the original order... You started with all of them then?

[Unlock Liberty]

The original Unfinished Business didn't clear Lara's inventory at the start of Atlantean Stronghold.

[Montii]

Originally posted by Salander:

It makes sense given how it takes place several months after the main game's ending. Not only that but the main characters ditching their new weapons between adventures is a pretty common trope (like Dante from DMC ditching all the demon weapons).

Although I don't know how it was in the original order... You started with all of them then?

i played the original one and as far as i remember u start with just the pistol and get to keep the weapons u collected in the first half of the expansion while in the remaster u loose them the moment u enter the second half and have to find them again

[BlueStinger]

Achievements seem to be stuck in release order as I just got the Finished Business (completing Unfinished Business) after finishing The Hive. Now I've just started Egypt..

[Lars Landerson]

Unfinished Business is actually the brand name given to the Atlantean levels because Lara Croft comes back and kills the rest of the atlantean creatures from a remnant of Atlantis. It was released in two levels being Atlantean Stronghold and The Hive. Later on, a rerelease of this DLC included two extra levels known as Shadow of the Cat expansion, those levels being Return to Egypt and Temple of the Cat. The reason why you don't keep your inventory between the two makes sense because they are supposed to be independent adventures. The order is also correct since the Unfinished Business takes places before Shadow of the Cat both in canon and release dates.

[BlueStinger]

Originally posted by NyahDesu:

Unfinished Business is actually the brand name given to the Atlantean levels because Lara Croft comes back and kills the rest of the atlantean creatures from a remnant of Atlantis. It was released in two levels being Atlantean Stronghold and The Hive. Later on, a rerelease of this DLC included two extra levels known as Shadow of the Cat expansion, those levels being Return to Egypt and Temple of the Cat. The reason why you don't keep your inventory between the two makes sense because they are supposed to be independent adventures. The order is also correct since the Unfinished Business takes places before Shadow of the Cat both in canon and release dates.

Ah yes I see there is a shadow of the cat achievement for the Egypt levels.

[FlamePurge]

Originally posted by NyahDesu:

Unfinished Business is actually the brand name given to the Atlantean levels because Lara Croft comes back and kills the rest of the atlantean creatures from a remnant of Atlantis. It was released in two levels being Atlantean Stronghold and The Hive. Later on, a rerelease of this DLC included two extra levels known as Shadow of the Cat expansion, those levels being Return to Egypt and Temple of the Cat. The reason why you don't keep your inventory between the two makes sense because they are supposed to be independent adventures. The order is also correct since the Unfinished Business takes places before Shadow of the Cat both in canon and release dates.

Where did you get this info from? This is the first time I've ever heard about a rerelease for TRI that only included Unfinished Business and not Shadow of the Cat.

Tomb Raider Traveler's Guide's Brian Chew interviewed the TR expansion pack developer Phil Campbell in '99, and this is what Campbell had to say about the levels:

"[...] In doing UB I was limited to settings from the original game - it was only during the cat levels that we realised we could add new textures. Atlantis WAS indeed a return to clear out the remaining baddies, and was originally intended to be released as 'expert' levels. They should have come before the cat levels on the disk and you should have started the cat levels with no inventory. I had completed the Atlantis levels at Core, and when I got back to Eidos San Francisco, I pitched a short story about Lara and the cat statue she passed in TR1. We realised we would have time to get two more levels done, so I enlisted the help of Rebecca Shearin (our senior artist) and we created as many new textures as we could in the time given. We were actually finished with the levels long before we eventually released them."

It sounds to me like they made UB's 2 levels and had a bunch of time left over, so they made SotC and both were included in TRI Gold. But someone swapped them at release, and had Lara retain her loadout between adventures. The way TRI Remastered does it is exactly how Campbell intended back in '98.

https://www.trinity.whsites.net/tomb/misc/intphil.html