No achievement for 1st London level?

[Nightmare]

Hi,

I'm usually not interested that much in achievements, but I was surprised not to get one for
Beating it in less than 2 min - 1:30 is my current record.
Faster is possible of course but less than 1 min?

Is there an achievement anyway?

Cheers!

[ERROR_372]

https://www.trueachievements.com/a425265/tr3-im-just-a-local-achievement

[Nightmare]

Hehe, thanks, I'll try it.

This is usually not my style of gaming, but it's interesting.

I did not read the tutorial, because I want to figure it out by myself.

Cheers!

[ERROR_372]

Make sure to have some medipacks. you'll take quite a bit of damage doing it (mostly fall damage)

[keenan84]

There is an even easier and faster way.

https://youtu.be/xRLhVYwHuco?si=XXkkwvvRyvgivx0c

[Nightmare]

Lol, I made a crucial mistake...
Instead of restarting the level, I loaded the first savegame, because in every new level I save right at the beginning.
No idea why, but the timer is already at 00:40 when I load the game - usually I save immediately.

I restarted the level and needed 00:49, so I got the achievement.

I must say this level looks really strange, but now I got the mission to find everything 🫡

Edit
@keenan84:.
Interesting video, yes, much easier than my way.
I tried it as well: 35 seconds and no medipack needed since there are no barb wires.

Thanks!

Cheers!

[Nightmare]

Ok, I finally finished the level using its normal way. I must admit that I died more often than in TR1 and TR2 together.
In most places in this level you make 1 mistake and fall into death.
At the beginning it makes a very complicated impression and I needed some time to figure out all places.

Ironically, I needed 0 medipacks, found all items, and needed 1 hour and 12 mins.
2 secrets were interesting, rest was not difficult to find.
The cathedral key disappears the next level, but I guess it's needed to unlock the bonus level?

But this level has massive problems:
- flares have no effect in several places (you have to switch to classic graphics)
- you can really see enemies spawn without moving camera
- enemies can be avoided depending on what way you use
- flue room key is not needed at all, you can just fall next to the fire
- level will take max 15 min in that case
- and 2 ways to finish in less than 1 minute

I would say it's the worst level I've played so far.

Cheers!

[ERROR_372]

I want to say the London levels seem like they were their first foray into more open-ended levels. Yes there's a general way to go, but getting there has multiple ways (even without exploits like the keyless way you mentioned). Then they got to TR4, and went to the extreme with open-endedness.

As for the Cathedral key, yeah, the All Hallows bonus level was meant to come after Thames Wharf. I'm guessing it was originally used at the end of Thames Wharf to finish the level, and they just kept it there (can't remember if it's a secret in that area or not).

For flares, I think it might have to do with the lighting system that modern graphics uses. Granted, I noticed in TR4, if you have 2 light sources (flare and fire), only one of them works at a time. So maybe it's just an underlying issue that got more exposed with the modern graphics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Nightmare:

Ok, I finally finished the level using its normal way. I must admit that I died more often than in TR1 and TR2 together.
In most places in this level you make 1 mistake and fall into death.
At the beginning it makes a very complicated impression and I needed some time to figure out all places.

Ironically, I needed 0 medipacks, found all items, and needed 1 hour and 12 mins.
2 secrets were interesting, rest was not difficult to find.
The cathedral key disappears the next level, but I guess it's needed to unlock the bonus level?

But this level has massive problems:
- flares have no effect in several places (you have to switch to classic graphics)
- you can really see enemies spawn without moving camera
- enemies can be avoided depending on what way you use
- flue room key is not needed at all, you can just fall next to the fire
- level will take max 15 min in that case
- and 2 ways to finish in less than 1 minute

I would say it's the worst level I've played so far.

Cheers!

I would say "aside from the flares" none of that are problems.
I myself avoid stuff on other maps that I have to backtrack to cheeck (not aa problem, I tend to look for everything anyway), also it is not the only level in the TR series that you can a void a ton of stuff or the entire map in more than one way to finish it fast (not including glitches, Venice is also one tho I dont remember exactly how now, occasionally I get to the end of it without having all key items and without going through everything either).