Latinx guy wearing a poncho and sombreo

[D.A.S.H.]

So there's a minor controversy about the content warning the devs put in, with the you-know-who types whining that the devs must hate Core, are commies, blah blah.

But in the very first cutscene of the game you see a Latinx guy wearing a sombrero and poncho. Now I'm not saying Core or Crystal Dynamics are racist or anything, but we can all agree that's an outdated stereotype. Many find it harmful. So I ask, why the hate for the content warning? Minutes into the game I can already see its reason for existing. Can't we all just appreciate that nothing got censored, recognize bad stereotypes and tropes belong in the past, and move on? I think that's all the devs wanted to say.

[Slugbait]

Originally posted by DarkGTX:

I think the message is likely more about TR3 and Lara deciding to unalive a bunch of indigenous people so she can steal a sacred artifact from them.

>unalive
Christ people

[Valiento]

Originally posted by Slugbait:

Originally posted by DarkGTX:

I think the message is likely more about TR3 and Lara deciding to unalive a bunch of indigenous people so she can steal a sacred artifact from them.

>unalive
Christ people

Seemed that was a thing with modern CD survivor games too…. I swear she seems to enjoy killing people….

[ChikaYami]

Using latinx is offensive btw. Especially since we are in Peru. So this man is a Peruvian. The disclaimer is far worse than any oh so "reeeeacist" depiction of dark skinned people, white skinned people can be depicting as stereotypical af to this day though.

Reality is. No one is offended most of the time except white people with too much time on their hands.

Crystal themselves use stereotypes in their games, too. So I guess they have to include an disclaimer in their games, too.

[Nïċḵ]

You point out at other for potential racism as if playing on a stereotype is automatically racial discirmination and "offensive"...

If there's anything potentially racist(even if unwilling) and offensive here, it is this thread with your idiotic "latinx" term, which you should already know(if you're that woke, as in "aware of social injustice", concerned about entertainment media and racial stereotypes) that the vast majority of latinoamericans find it to be an idiotic term born out of non-latinos stupidity.

Also, there's no such thing as a latino race. Latino is just short for latino american, and anyone, either black, white, yellow, red or whatever flavor or color you want can be latinoamerican. Why? Because it's not a term coined to classify a specific race, but a term used to simply name people from the countries of Southamerica and Central America that are related to "Latin" countries such as Spain/Portugal/Italy/France... Whereas the "Hispanic" term is precisely born to name people from the countries within said same region who have Spanish as primary language(where, for example, Brazilians are, in fact, Latinos, but are not Hispanic).

[Valiento]

Originally posted by ChikaYami:

Using latinx is offensive btw. Especially since we are in Peru. So this man is a Peruvian. The disclaimer is far worse than any oh so "reeeeacist" depiction of dark skinned people, white skinned people can be depicting as stereotypical af to this day though.

Reality is. No one is offended most of the time except white people with too much time on their hands.

Crystal themselves use stereotypes in their games, too. So I guess they have to include an disclaimer in their games, too.

Ya especially if you know what culture or nationality they are you should refer them by that culture or nationality…. Not made up terms used by white academics, that many within the groups it’s applied find offensive.

[Nïċḵ]

Originally posted by ChikaYami:

Using latinx is offensive btw. Especially since we are in Peru. So this man is a Peruvian. The disclaimer is far worse than any oh so "reeeeacist" depiction of dark skinned people, white skinned people can be depicting as stereotypical af to this day though.

Reality is. No one is offended most of the time except white people with too much time on their hands.

Crystal themselves use stereotypes in their games, too. So I guess they have to include an disclaimer in their games, too.

It's like their so called "white guilt" is not letting them sleep so they jump at any potential chance at pretending to be righteous in a sad attempt to wash it away.

[XLave]

I have been living in Peru for a couple of years a while back (I'm an Spaniard) and people wearing ponchos exist, is very common in rural areas mostly in the mountains region. I only see in the intro FMV a local guide showing Lara a path to the cave entrance, that's it. TR classic games have some issues in other fields (Lara's sexualitation, mainly in ads) but nothing related to racism.

[Guardian Hero]

Yes, this is so harmful that when the game was released, my latinx brothers were deeply hurt in their souls, and I really think that we should apologize during the next 2000 years, but I'm not sure that will make up for it.
Personally, I'm going to fast for an afternoon to save a latinx life. What are YOU doing?

[kakiss4]

Originally posted by D.A.S.H.:

So there's a minor controversy about the content warning the devs put in, with the you-know-who types whining that the devs must hate Core, are commies, blah blah.

But in the very first cutscene of the game you see a Latinx guy wearing a sombrero and poncho. Now I'm not saying Core or Crystal Dynamics are racist or anything, but we can all agree that's an outdated stereotype. Many find it harmful. So I ask, why the hate for the content warning? Minutes into the game I can already see its reason for existing. Can't we all just appreciate that nothing got censored, recognize bad stereotypes and tropes belong in the past, and move on? I think that's all the devs wanted to say.

There is no Latinx and you don't need it in spanish.
Latin has three Cases, Masculin, Femenin and Neutral.
Masculin did end in -us, as in Caballus = Caballo in spanish
Femenin did end in -a, as in Experientia = Experiencia in spanish
Neutral did end with -um, as in Templum = Templo in spanish

In the Transition from Latin to Spanish the Grammar did change and a higher Use of the Ablative Case of Nouns happened.
The ablative Case of Caballus is Caballo, the ablative Case of Templum is Templo, the ablative Case if Experientia is Experientia.


As you can see, the Neutrum and Masculinum changed to the same Ending.
Same occured in Italian and Portuguese.
In spanish also all Endings for Plural switched to -s
So not Templae or Caballae, but Templos and Caballos.

That is why Latinos just includes everyone, as you don't have to differ between Latinum and Latinus or Latina.

You can see all three Forms including the Neutrum still in - esto (n), este (m) ,esta (f).
Also in eso (n), ese (m), esa (f) and lo (n), le (m), la (f).

[Dosto]

Originally posted by Valiento:

Originally posted by Dosto:

Yes, you're right, Sherpas are indeed a Nepalese ethnic, but in Peru that name is used to call a kind of tourist guide and travelers, specially from Machu Picchu.

The dude from the intro is so generic, he can be anything because.. Of course, a game from 1996.

If you are trying to be politically correct the correct term is porter or guide in English they don’t call themselves Sherpa. That’s what tourists call them….

Many People would consider that use of term racist…

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-term-Sherpa-racist-when-used-to-describe-someone-who-leads-and-carries-people-through-a-process-if-that-person-is-not-in-fact-from-the-ethnic-group-in-eastern-Nepal

https://www.change.org/p/stop-misusing-sherpa

Its funny because ive been there in Machu Picchu so many times and they don't really care if you call them Sherpas, even the tourist administration used call them like that when you ask for a guide lol.

Can it be a racist term? Seems more like a cultural misappropriation. Even huaso here was considered a derogatory term intil it was assimilated.

[Lord Tony]

latinx is not a word

[Diego Libe]

Originally posted by Ereh:

I find butchering the Spanish language with the use of a genderless "X" more offensive than a stupid poncho xD.

Same here
I find the poncho quite charming in fact.

But who am I to say? I'm brazilian, they doesn't include us alongside the latinos

[PopCornFlakes]

im racist against stupidity , and there's plenty on steam forums

[Dosto]

Originally posted by Diego Libe:

Originally posted by Ereh:

I find butchering the Spanish language with the use of a genderless "X" more offensive than a stupid poncho xD.

Same here
I find the poncho quite charming in fact.

But who am I to say? I'm brazilian, they doesn't include us alongside the latinos

We actually love Ponchos, but americans use that to despise mexicans, which is also funny because most of the mexicans love their own culture, you will never offend them with that.

[Valiento]

Originally posted by Dosto:

Originally posted by Diego Libe:

Same here
I find the poncho quite charming in fact.

But who am I to say? I'm brazilian, they doesn't include us alongside the latinos

We actually love Ponchos, but americans use that to despise mexicans, which is also funny because most of the mexicans love their own culture, you will never offend them with that.

No they don’t… Mexicans sell sombreros is and ponchos to tourists/celebrators and on cinco de mayo all the time. It’s more cultural appreciation than anything sinister.

https://www.reddit.com/r/redmond/comments/13cytvb/cinco_de_mayo_poncho_vendor/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IT2UH74ksJ4

Academia doesn’t understand that Latinos themselves don’t mind… it’s probably much like the “sherpa” issue really.

Also ponchos are quite warm and comfortable they are quite practical.

Thar being saidI I think cheap plastic costumes ponchos and sombreros are really stupid… but indigenous street venders continue to sell them at cinco de mayo celebrations in US….