"crystals are forever" achievement

[никита]

so, in the patch they changed this achievement and now it requires 93 crystals instead of 95 and i have a question: which two crystals can now be skipped? the only thing i found was that in order to take all the crystals in madubu gorge, you had to use a exploit, but i have not yet seen anywhere confirmation that this is no longer necessary for this achievement

[dml!]

From what I've seen the quantity of crystals is listed on the final statistics screen, so it shouldn't actually matter which two crystals you skip so long as that count reaches 93.

I can't tell you which are best to skip though as I've only done India and two levels of Nevada so far, and have acquired all crystals so far. River Ganges was the only one that required some extra effort since the crystals are split between the two roads you can take.

There are an extra 3 crystals in All Hallows, but I don't know if that is accessible before the final statistics screen or not. Perhaps someone could confirm, since if it is then you could collect those and skip three more in the main game.

[OyajiBR☕]

There are a few bifurcations in the game so if you choose one path you'll miss what was in the other one, maybe that's why you don't have to collect all crystals.

[Lanzagranadas]

There are 94 Crystals if the achievement requirements are checked before All Hallows (otherwise 97)

The River Ganges has 7 Crystals, but you're supposed to get either 5 or 6 depending on the route. 1 Crystal exclusive to the right (monkey) path, 2 crystals exclusive to the left path.

So you're probably expected to do the left path, if you do and don't miss any other crystal you'll have 93. It's possible to get the extra crystal from the monkey path after doing the left path, but it requires a very difficult jump to reach an area you're not supposed to reach without the Quad Bike. Coastal Village also has route-exclusive crystals, but it's much easier to do both routes in that level.

[никита]

Originally posted by dml!:

From what I've seen the quantity of crystals is listed on the final statistics screen, so it shouldn't actually matter which two crystals you skip so long as that count reaches 93.

yeah, i got this, i was just wondering which crystals exactly would be more efficient to skip :')

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

The River Ganges has 7 Crystals, but you're supposed to get either 5 or 6 depending on the route. 1 Crystal exclusive to the right (monkey) path, 2 crystals exclusive to the left path.

i've already passed the river ganges, and as far as i understand, the left path is mandatory anyway in this level, because otherwise you'll also miss a secret or two and a crystal(s), and like you said, you can still go back to the right path later, which will be impossible if you go right immediately
i don't know about coastal village actually, but comparing madubu gorge to river ganges, it seems like you can take any path in this level and there are no secrets exclusive to one path that force you to somehow go back and take another path to collect secret you missed, or something tells me that the secrets will be located only on one of the two paths (i have not yet reached south pacific islands and i didn't bother collecting secrets the last time i played TR3 so i don't remember :p) and it seems like crystals on one path in madubu gorge seems to be enough to complete the game exactly with 93 crystals

[dml!]

Reading Stella's guide, it's suggesting that there's only one crystal you miss by not taking the "shortcut" in Madubu Gorge, so you can get the other 8 by going the longer route that has all the secrets. So I guess the two crystals are that one and probably the one in the right path (temple) in River Ganges.

[никита]

Originally posted by dml!:

Reading Stella's guide, it's suggesting that there's only one crystal you miss by not taking the "shortcut" in Madubu Gorge, so you can get the other 8 by going the longer route that has all the secrets. So I guess the two crystals are that one and probably the one in the right path (temple) in River Ganges.

i guess you're right, thanks!
i actually had fun running both path along river ganges, and i think it's much easier to get back to the crossing paths at this level than madubu gorge (although i didn't look into that too much as i tend to avoid looking at the manuals and other sorts of helping walkthroughs and maybe i'm being wrong right now), so they might left river ganges be :p

[dml!]

I must say I didn't look at Madubu Gorge closely yet. I don't think in my first playthrough I took the shortcut though, since I remember going a long way before getting the kayak at all.

River Ganges jumps from the end of the left path to the right path weren't that bad. Well, getting across wasn't too bad, it was just a running jump with a slight air curve into a ledge grab that I made first try. The return took me several tries though since getting the run up precise enough to curve around the corner wasn't so easy. I suppose it's more difficult than most "intended" jumps I've come across, but still.

[Lanzagranadas]

The thing with the Madubu Gorge crystal is that according to Stella the level has 9 but the maximum you can obtain is 8. If you get the shortcut exclusive you'll miss some others from the long route.

In River Ganges and Coastal Village it's possible to "legally" obtain all crystals. So you have to skip the one from Madubu Gorge shortcut, and then you're allowed to ignore either the one from River Ganges monkey path or one from Coastal Village. But Coastal Village paths have more than one exclusive crystal each, so doing both routes at River Ganges won't save you from doing both routes at Coastal Village anyway.

[Multi-Tech]

Anyone know if the 3 crystals in All Hallows count towards this achievement, or if they all have to be collected in the main game?

[никита]

just passed through madubu gorge and besides one crystal exclusive to shortcut route, there is one very weird thing about this level: the very last crystal next to the zipline simply does not appear on the level if you somehow missed the yellow rope on the left side when you were floating downstream in a kayak because, for example, you stuck to the right, like i did, and trigger for this crystal to appear is exactly in this yellow rope on the left, lol
if you missed this trigger on the kayak, you can hit it on foot lately, when you approach end of the level, by falling off and holding the ledge where that damned yellow rope is

[SandwichMan]

Originally posted by Multi-Tech:

Anyone know if the 3 crystals in All Hallows count towards this achievement, or if they all have to be collected in the main game?

It did for me. I got the achievement after getting the first crystal in 'All Hallows'. I didn't even realise I had missed any in the main game. I had 92 crystals when starting All Hallows so I actually thought the 3 crystals in that level added up to the full 95.

[DarkMoe]

so I guess its ok to miss a couple of crystals in level 3 as long as we get all secrets so we compensate on all hallows ? What about secrets ? Can we skip getting the extra secret in Coastal Village ? Or is that one also needed for the all secrets achievement ?

[никита]

Originally posted by DarkMoe:

so I guess its ok to miss a couple of crystals in level 3 as long as we get all secrets so we compensate on all hallows ? What about secrets ? Can we skip getting the extra secret in Coastal Village ? Or is that one also needed for the all secrets achievement ?

i think yes, you can compensate 3 missed crystals somewhere along the way in all hallows (though i can't say for sure because i didn't miss any crystals except the one on madubu gorge shortcut route and i got my achievement at the end of tinnos), but you definitely isn't allowed to miss the secret in coastal village if you're doing all secrets run

[Multi-Tech]

Originally posted by DarkMoe:

so I guess its ok to miss a couple of crystals in level 3 as long as we get all secrets so we compensate on all hallows ? What about secrets ? Can we skip getting the extra secret in Coastal Village ? Or is that one also needed for the all secrets achievement ?

The result screen at the end of the game now makes 60 secrets the total, rather than 59 like the original. So the extra secret in Coastal Village is no longer an extra secret, but is REQUIRED to unlock All Hallows now.

[DarkMoe]

wow, that's so misleading. Why keep the 3 secrets total if there are now 4?