Will 4-6 be remastered?

[Misa]

What do you think?

[EF_Neo1st]

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İlk olarak DogMeat tarafından gönderildi:

30,000 IS in the 'lower end of the 10s of thousands'. A bit close to mid.

I don't know what that means to the developers in terms of profits / sales.

Maybe they're moping in depression that this isn't getting more pre-orders... maybe they're popping the champagne and losing their minds in excitement. Maybe something in-between.

I hope its the latter, I hope its a success and turns out to be awesome. I did break my no pre-order rule and pre-order it. Kind of hate myself a bit for it, but classic TR is special to me and if they deliver solid versions of the expansions I feel like that will be worth the price alone.

Sorry, I didn't understand the expression. I thought he meant that the game had only sold 10,000 units. For me, 30,000 preorders just on Steam seems like a more than acceptable number. Putting all the platforms together there will surely be about 100,000 preorders.

I believe that these numbers anticipate at least sales of about 400,000 units. Let's be clear, this is a niche product that has not even had a marketing campaign. Expecting million-dollar sales is unrealistic.

30000 preorders x $22 = 660000, over hallf a million dollar sales (here at my country it was more like $16 so I will put it at $22)
With 100K units it would be $2.2M (2x the unrealistic amount you mentioned with preorders alone so far and counting the price at other countries).

[EF_Neo1st]

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Sorry, I didn't understand the expression. I thought he meant that the game had only sold 10,000 units. For me, 30,000 preorders just on Steam seems like a more than acceptable number. Putting all the platforms together there will surely be about 100,000 preorders.

I believe that these numbers anticipate at least sales of about 400,000 units. Let's be clear, this is a niche product that has not even had a marketing campaign. Expecting million-dollar sales is unrealistic.

I don't know what any of that means to the developers though.

Raging success? Mid? Complete failure?

I think anything over $300K may be total profit to devs

[DogMeat]

İlk olarak EF_Neo1st tarafından gönderildi:

I think anything over $300K may be total profit to devs

Great news then!

If its a big success I hope they remaster 4 & 5 together as a package (like these first 3), and then completely remake 6 from the ground up.

[Neblunoa]

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İlk olarak Neblunoa tarafından gönderildi:

Sorry, I didn't understand the expression. I thought he meant that the game had only sold 10,000 units. For me, 30,000 preorders just on Steam seems like a more than acceptable number. Putting all the platforms together there will surely be about 100,000 preorders.

I believe that these numbers anticipate at least sales of about 400,000 units. Let's be clear, this is a niche product that has not even had a marketing campaign. Expecting million-dollar sales is unrealistic.

I don't know what any of that means to the developers though.

Raging success? Mid? Complete failure?

That depends on what it cost to produce the remaster.

[Lanzagranadas]

It's a remaster of old school 3d plaforming games, a genre that lost a lot of its former popularity. Very niche (and to some modern gamers) "unplayable" games.

So the sales look good so far, but we don't really know what's their sales target number or how much they need to consider it successful, as we also don't know what's the budget invested on the project, which is a key factor.

[DogMeat]

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So the sales look good so far, but we don't really know what's their sales target number or how much they need to consider it successful, as we also don't know what's the budget invested on the project, which is a key factor.

Exactly... so I don't know why people are either celebrating or are disappointed about the sales.

[Thornok]

Seems more like a long time investment. Everybody knows Tomb Raider, there will be new games and people will buy these remasters in the future too.

[Neblunoa]

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I'm pretty sure this collection is Embracer Group testing the waters. They're basically saying "You really want classic Lara? Prove it" so if we ever want a new, puzzle focused Tomb Raider, we have to make sure these sell.

I would buy a total remake of Angel of Darkness, as well, even break my own no pre-order rule if they could somehow get CORE design back together to develop it.

Well I've already bought 3 copies, I can't do anything else to support the game LOL

[Tapasvi]

I'm totally in market for 4 and 5. My favorite ones. Not popular choice, I know.
But first this one shouldn't end up being a flop. The buyers are there, so it's really up to the quality of the product...

[Neblunoa]

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I'm totally in market for 4 and 5. My favorite ones. Not popular choice, I know.
But first this one shouldn't end up being a flop. The buyers are there, so it's really up to the quality of the product...

4 is very popular

[DogMeat]

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I'm totally in market for 4 and 5. My favorite ones. Not popular choice, I know.
But first this one shouldn't end up being a flop. The buyers are there, so it's really up to the quality of the product...

4 is my favorite of the classics! Entire focus on Egypt (an awesome setting), heavy inspiration from Mummy movies, incredible atmosphere leading up to a possible apocalypse, and some actually interesting character study to name a few of the reasons...

I didn't like the ending at the time, its part of the reason I kind of drifted away from TR games. 'Killing' off the lead had a finality to it.

5 is definitely a disappointment to me. I only played it a decade + after I stopped playing TR games again, but got drawn back in when the reboot trilogy came out (the first reboot trilogy). The developers had lost their passion for TR, and 'killing' her off at the end of 4 was them trying to say... stop... enough. When taken for what it was, a stand alone game that was full price back in the day it was lackluster. If you take it for what it feels like, what I think it might have been intended as, an expansion pack, I don't dislike it nearly as much. Unlike every other classic TR game, the graphics received no overhaul. TR 4 & 5 Lara model, both young and grown, is identical.

The concept was interesting too... just... half the game feels like its inspired more by James Bond instead of Indiana Jones. A Cold War mission and a sci fi Die Hard mission take up half the game. Rome was fine. No where near as good as other classic levels imho though. The Young Lara Ireland level was the real standout to me.

At the end of the day, its fine. I'd be more than happy to see a remaster of it alongside TR 4, especially if they fixed a lot of bugs with the scripting in the last level of TR 5 in the skyscraper. I played it a few years ago and it was a disaster. I had to replay segments over and over because some event didn't properly trigger or I wasn't in the right area at the right time.

I'd also love to see the classic Game Boy and Cell Phone Tomb Raider games transformed into 3D classic adventures. Some of them were actually quite good!

EDIT: Oh man, AND THAT MUSIC! The main theme in particular!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVaIubv6uDs
You can tell this was intended as one final hurrah, and I think they overall nailed it!

This variation of the TR theme has... kind of this finality to it... its heroic and mournful at the same time.

[V I D A L]

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İlk olarak V I D A L tarafından gönderildi:

If this sells really well.. surely.

So far, it has pre-orders on Steam in the low ten thousands. I think it's safe to say that it is rather niche, expectedly. The modern target audience for games is simply hopeless.

I will pre-order as well when it's a bit closer to release. I've never played the originals as I had a N64 at the time and was constantly hoping it would get a port. Today I own all of the old games on PC, but they all broken. Very much looking forward to experiencing the originals for the first time.
I did play the demos of TR1 and TR2 on PC for a lot longer than I care to admit. lol.. Never manage to get the full games.

[Dgo]

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I will pre-order as well when it's a bit closer to release. I've never played the originals as I had a N64 at the time and was constantly hoping it would get a port. Today I own all of the old games on PC, but they all broken. Very much looking forward to experiencing the originals for the first time.
I did play the demos of TR1 and TR2 on PC for a lot longer than I care to admit. lol.. Never manage to get the full games.

Try the guides' section. The games work well. I played TR1 like 9 times, TR2 like 5 and TR3 like 3 times w/o issues including their expos, bugs fixes, polished graphics, etc.

[DogMeat]

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Try the guides' section. The games work well. I played TR1 like 9 times, TR2 like 5 and TR3 like 3 times w/o issues including their expos, bugs fixes, polished graphics, etc.

Well, once the remasters come out he wont have to worry about messing with the older versions. On paper, they sound like definitive versions. Fingers crossed it delivers.

IV is absolutely worth putting some effort in to get it running after he plays the originals.

[V I D A L]

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I will pre-order as well when it's a bit closer to release. I've never played the originals as I had a N64 at the time and was constantly hoping it would get a port. Today I own all of the old games on PC, but they all broken. Very much looking forward to experiencing the originals for the first time.
I did play the demos of TR1 and TR2 on PC for a lot longer than I care to admit. lol.. Never manage to get the full games.

Try the guides' section. The games work well. I played TR1 like 9 times, TR2 like 5 and TR3 like 3 times w/o issues including their expos, bugs fixes, polished graphics, etc.

I know the first Tomb Raider can be fully restored as the source code is out, right?
I did modded the original to test out a bit to make it widescreen, modern resolution etc.. but just tested for a bit.

At this point I will just wait for the remasters of course.